NBC Says Marine Shot Dead Wounded Iraqi Prisoner

Rooters via Yahho!News ^ | November 15, 2004

[TChris]

OK, if these terrorists have been hiding IEDs under dead bodies and attacking Marines after faking injury/death, then I think the Marine had every reason to suspect that the terrorist WAS armed and dangerous. He was probably thinking about saving that poor idiot camera man from being blown to bits! It sounds like this was a perfectly reasonable response to the situation after seeing, up close and personal, what previously suspected "dead" or "wounded" have done to our troops.

[fooman]

I think you learned the wrong lesson about Kerry.

Through lies, ambition and deception-- Yuri Andropov, the soviets, the NVA and loop heads like Kerry and Al hubbard spread media amplified propaganda, which almost caused Nixon to lose the war, until the successfull carpet bombing of Hanoi & HArbor (Linebacker II) won the war.

[Texas Deb]

We are a civilized people - we are a society of laws. And I am sure this will be thoroughly investigated and handled properly.

But the MSM has already tried and convicted this young marine and will use this event to spread propoganda about our troops and place them in more danger. What's civilized, responsible and just about that?

[sullivan-fan]

"successfull carpet bombing of Hanoi & HArbor (Linebacker II) won the war."

I disagree that it was "carpet bombing." That's left-wing propaganda. It was aimed at military targets. We destroyed the air defense system of North Vietnam in Linebacker II. My proposition is that U.S. forces have historically followed the rules of war and should continue to do so.

[redrock]

All the 'PC' hand-wringers would rather have it that the Marine died...at the hands of a terrorist playing dead.

In combat...things happen...and they happen FAST.

Maybe if the Marine had hesitated for just one second....he would have been the one to die.

redrock

[bray]

Anybody know the condition of the bullet???

Pray for W and Our Troops

[eddiebear]

True. If someone heard otherwise, please let me know, since I have jumped in late. But, I was on my way to the gym at 7PM local time, and I heard the CBS Radio National News. Believe it or not, the coverage of this incident was somewhat fair. They even said "military experts have commented that faking death and booby trapping dead bodies is a common tactic", or something like that. The guy who wrote that copy probably was fired and replaced with Mary Mapes writing the script. I fear that the MSM will try to turn this into Abu Ghraib II.

[fooman]

The bombs from b52 just were not that accurate. It took many bombs to take out a bridge for example. The capability just did not exist.

Toyko was fire bombed and more were killed than hiroshima, which wasn't a cake walk either.

Okinowa (sp) was also napalmed. Seen the footage?

We have an overly sanitized world view.



And now an admission. You do have a point in that I thought that Unfit made ROE a little too 'clean' and Brady Bunch-like.

That pushed credibility a little with me. Of course, hearing Gardner for hours on the radio and the summation of accounts killed Kerry's accountability.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

ping for later

[DBeers]

"If true, that was a spectacularly foolish move on the part of the marine that will no doubt end up in a court martial. What could he have been thinking?"

The picture painted by MSNBC and the other libs is starkly different regarding 'context' from that of FOX...IMHO -in context the 'kill' was justified...

[DBeers]

"He said one Marine noticed one of the prisoners was still breathing."

A point maybe missed or mistakenly insuated by the 'objective' reporting:

The Marines in question did not know or consider these insurgents to be 'prisoners' let alone 'dead prisoners' -they were unfriendly unknowns and they were dealt with appropriately. The reporter is not a combatant and he declared thier 'prisoner' status after the fact -unguarded dying prisoner?

[Steel Wolf]

In your opinion, do the troops resent the need to be so aware of the Media political correctness? If they do, is there concern that keeping the embeds and cameras with them, could damage morale to the point that the start to question if is worth it.

I appreciate being held to a high standard, I note with satisfaction how unusual and rare outright misconduct is. I don't appreciate politically correct policies, because they prolongue problems and ultimately get people killed.

In many cases, holding absurdly high standards fails because anything less than perfection isn't good enough for the Europeans, and anything that could be seen as weakness by the Middle East breeds resistance. We should just be ourselves, which is firm, just, merciful, and swift. Trying to be less demeans us, and trying to be more is counterproductive.

[fooman]

Their hand were not tie wrapped. The enemy was caught in an act of deception. The marine was prudent.

The MSM is sore and trying to impune the military because it won.

[weegee]

I meant that NO ONE is trying to demonize the "insurgents" for violating the Geneva Conventions by torturing and murdering civilian prisoners kidnapped off the street.

OUR SIDE is being held to a double standard in this war.

[fooman]

It will NEVER be enough for the Euros. They will move the goal posts until you are in the ICC because you did not use PAris approved toilet paper per their idiotic 'protocalls'


They are jealous of our influence. Where is the outrage for their war crimes (which are systemic) in the Ivory Coast.

[gorio]

Here's a link to a 5.5MB video file of action over Afghanistan...at the 3 minute mark, you tell me if this was uncalled for. One on one...an AC130 Gunship vs Terrorist. I didn't call him an insurgent. He's a terrorist!

Video here

[hineybona]

wow awesomme video ..Thanx

[fooman]

ROE in afghan was a different thing. People were mad about 911 still. I remember the northern alliance killing people and running them over as they were surrendering Nobody cared really.

[gorio]

The Rules of the War on Terror

1st RULE: There are no rules in the War on Terror. 2nd RULE: There are no rules in the War on Terror.
3rd RULE: If a terrorist says "stop" or goes limp, continue until he's dead.
4th RULE: Only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
5th RULE: As many fights at one time as required.
6th RULE: No nice guys, only warriors.
7th RULE: War will go on as long as it has to.
8th RULE: If this is your first fight in the WAR ON TERROR, there will be more. Adapted from the Rules of Fight Club

[Boot Hill]

"OUR SIDE is being held to a double standard in this war."

Your point is a good one!

--Boot Hill