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To: crushelits

The HMMWV was never intended to carry armor. Stop trying to make it something it isn't. Instead, look to inexpensive armored cars as an alternative, such as the South African Ratel 20 or similar (or the Alabama Slammer).

The HMMWV was always intended as a heavier (and more stable) Jeep.


7 posted on 11/15/2004 10:13:33 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Little Pig

The HMMWV was designed during the height of the cold war, as a fast personnel mover capable of traversing the European battlefield. The assumption was that it would function in an armor-battle environment, where anything likely to hit it would erase it completely, armored or not (hence the designers didn't worry much about it). It was never intended to function as a convoy protector, or as an up-armored patrol vehicle (that's what the bradley was supposed to be for). I expect that somewhere in the next generation of military vehicles, there will be designs for the kind of environment we are seeing now (chaotic, no central points of resistance that can be easily avoided, more diverse terrain).


10 posted on 11/15/2004 10:21:26 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Little Pig
Deploying some or the 1000's of upgaded M113 A3 Gavins that are sitting around doing nothing would be a good idea.

Lots of nice pics and info on performance/upgrades here. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m113.htm

13 posted on 11/15/2004 11:05:33 AM PST by protest1
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To: Little Pig
Hi Little Pig

Did a search on Alabama Slammer and found some photos of what looks like a heavily armed and armored big rig, but it was a small scale model. Still it was very cool. Do any of these exist as a full size vehicle. It does seem to be the type of vehicle that is needed in Iraq at the moment.

Best Regards

Sergio
19 posted on 11/15/2004 12:22:33 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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