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Commanders plead for armor..
washingtontimes.com ^ | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 11/15/2004 9:47:05 AM PST by crushelits

Commanders have requested to nearly double the number of armored utility vehicles in Iraq to 8,000, in yet another shift in equipment needs to keep pace with an insurgency that continues to strike troops.

Acting Army Secretary Les Brownlee told of the newest requisition during a recent hourlong interview with The Washington Times.

It is the commanders' job in the field to devise the tactics to defeat an enemy made up of foreign terrorists, Saddam Hussein loyalists and criminals freed by the fallen dictator.

Back at the Pentagon, it has been Mr. Brownlee's job to make sure they have the guns, ammunition and equipment.

Perhaps in Army history there has never been a war whose character changed so quickly and required a whole new set of tactics and equipment -- within weeks.

"Suddenly, a different ballgame," Mr. Brownlee said.

U.S. war planners never foresaw that the fall of Baghdad would spawn a new enemy able to attack soldiers and Marines no matter their battlefield position. Rear-line support troops became just as vulnerable as front-line ones.

That meant the Army suddenly had a need for armored Humvee utility vehicles, armored trucks, more body armor and huge shipments of spare parts.

The problem became so acute by December that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, then the top commander in Iraq, sent an urgent letter to the Army saying, "I cannot continue to support sustained combat operations with [readiness] rates this low." Soldiers were being killed by the score by roadside bombs, or improvised explosive devises (IEDs), that ripped through a Humvee's thin plating.

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To: Sergio

There was a version half-done by a Depot unit over in Iraq. The basics are a 5-ton (old-style) chassis and engine cowl, with a M113 hull minus the powerpack mounted on it. The 5-ton cowl fits nearly perfectly into the space for the 113's engine. Anyway, the depot guys got the hull on the chassis, and had gotten as far as fitting the front windscreens, and cutting openings for the side windows, when they were ordered to desist. There were some good pics floating around for a while.


21 posted on 11/15/2004 12:27:54 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: crushelits

How does “request” become “plead”?


22 posted on 11/15/2004 12:31:11 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
There are 25,000,000 enemies coming at us one at a time.

25,000,000? I thought there were a billion Muslims in the world today.
23 posted on 11/15/2004 12:34:00 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: protest1

I agree. And, the 113's can carry a lot of firepower. Plus they are quick, can nearly turn in their own length. With the motors turned up, they can exceed 50 mph fully loaded.


24 posted on 11/15/2004 12:34:21 PM PST by Parmy
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To: Q6-God

I'm sure they'll have the new jacks. God speed and God bless! :)


25 posted on 11/15/2004 1:32:47 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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To: fooman
The HUMVEE is an excellent vehicle however it is not the best design or the most cost effective design for this type of fight . Vehicles like the old Rhodesian mine resistant buffalo apc & other similar vehicles based on a Unimog truck 4x4 chasis & drive train made in this country by Daimler Chrysler . Sold commercially by Freightliner

Using welded steel & kevlar will do wonders for increasing the survival of GI's who are currently riding in sheet metal & plastic/fiberglass body type vehicles . Tracked vehicles aren't the best option as the problem of continious operations & the maintenance requirements of tracked vehicles.

The key to the reliability lies in using a TRUCK CHASIS & DRIVE TRAIN the HUMVEE for all its virtues isn't built on a truck chasis nor does it have the engine/tranny/suspension needed to bear the extra weight of armor without excessive wear.

Also the $226,000 price tag needed to up armor a HUMVEE as opposed to $60,000 for a vehicle similar to the old buffalo design would basically allow you to buy 4 armored vehicles specifically designed to survive IED's & landmines as compared to a vehicle that is a cobbled together improvisation & lets face facts the broad flat underside of a HUMVEE is perfect for using AT mines against.
26 posted on 11/15/2004 5:18:29 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

I agreee. We need the right vehicle, whatever it is. Built in IED jammer/kevlar/think armor underside or better.

Spend 30 billion. I dont care. Not worth 500+ dead americans due to IEDS


27 posted on 11/15/2004 5:21:56 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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