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CA: Dreier race illustrates cautionary tale on immigration policy
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 11/15/04 | Beth Fouhy - AP

Posted on 11/15/2004 8:34:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: capitan_refugio
#1 - "John and Ken" aren't all that popular. They are just one morning radio show in a very large market. This was their shtick.

Wrong, they are between 3-7 PM week days...and yes, they are pretty popular, since KFI640 is the station who carries Rush Limbaugh between 9-12 Noon daily.

#2 - What may have hurt Dreier more than the immigration issue was that he was outed as a closeted gay.

Where did you get that idea?!

41 posted on 11/15/2004 9:38:38 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself, and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" Thomas Paine)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Delay has also had several ethical brushes, including a Dem prosecutor who kept hinting at indicting him, in the recent past. So maybe that's the cautionary tale?
42 posted on 11/15/2004 9:41:12 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Steven W.
Did the Dems force Bush to put forward an amnesty plan?
43 posted on 11/15/2004 9:42:46 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: capitan_refugio

Your "points" might be well taken if you knew something about their show. They are an afternoon drive time, not morning. If you're such an expert on them, I would have thought this detail would have been easy.


44 posted on 11/15/2004 9:44:14 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: danmar
"Where did you get that idea?!"

Try a google search for david dreier gay and see how thousands of hits you get. Whether he is or he isn't, should not have been a germane issue. But it was one running rampant through the grapevine. I first heard it at a precinct captain meeting in September. The rumor had been attributed to the radio show in question.

"Wrong, they are between 3-7 PM week days...and yes, they are pretty popular, since KFI640 is the station who carries Rush Limbaugh between 9-12 Noon daily."

I'll take your word for it, because at that time I am listening to Larry Elder on KABC Talkradio 790 AM, on my commute and errands. I may have been thinking about the EGBOK guy who just retired.

45 posted on 11/15/2004 9:55:05 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Yes, it is a cautionary tale to him, but not with regards to immigration.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 9:56:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks - I have been informed. Do you know what the LA market ratings are?


47 posted on 11/15/2004 10:00:21 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
Whether he is or he isn't, should not have been a germane issue.

...well than drop it!

David is my Congressman and he did a lot of good things for our city.
I do have a beef with him about his stance on immigration, but under no circumstances I want him replaced.

His choice of sexual preferences is not my concern as long he is doing the job he was elected to do, namely representing the Foothills of San Gabriel.

48 posted on 11/15/2004 10:17:00 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself, and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" Thomas Paine)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
"Your "points" might be well taken if you knew something about their show. They are an afternoon drive time, not morning. If you're such an expert on them, I would have thought this detail would have been easy."

Possibly you could present some recent rating data. As I have stated, I don't listen to their show.

49 posted on 11/15/2004 10:19:52 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: danmar
Danmar - if it cost him votes - rumor or not - it helps explain why he had an unusally "close" race (for an incumbent).

If Dreier had been my Representative, I would have gladly voted for him too. When I lived in the San Gabriel Valley, I was not in his district (I was then stuck with Marty Martinez). But the homosexuality issue was certainly a factor for some voters.

50 posted on 11/15/2004 10:28:47 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
I never said anything about their ratings. I couldn;t find the latest arbitron report.

However, you admit that you do not listen to the show. You do not even know when it is on the air. Therefore, you are a less than convincing critic of their show.
51 posted on 11/15/2004 10:31:31 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Naw. I don't think that is true. I think that both parties are scared witless (or gutless) on this issue. They think that it is one of those mythological "third rail of american politics" issues.

The same thing happened with the "marriage amendments" passed in 11 states this election cycle. It was an obvious winner, but how many pubbies actually really pushed this issue?
52 posted on 11/15/2004 10:40:00 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: gubamyster; NormsRevenge; All

Active poll:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe the federal government needs to better enforce the laws against hiring illegal aliens?

Yes 94% 3898 votes

No 6% 248 votes

Total: 4146 votes


53 posted on 11/15/2004 10:45:48 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

John and Ken: Not that there's anything wrong with it!


54 posted on 11/15/2004 10:46:55 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: JohnnyZ
But no, you preferred to attack Bill Jones and David Dreier for not supporting shooting immigrants on sight .....

Why would anybody support the idea of shooting legal immigrants on sight?

56 posted on 11/15/2004 11:18:13 PM PST by usadave
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To: Reagan Man

"And finally, the feds must end any and all government welfare funding to illegals."

Ending welfare would end the problem. If those on welfare had to go to work we'd have no room for illegals.


57 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:24 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: radicalamericannationalist

I address only their supposed "popularity." If the show is popular in its time slot, it will have ratings to show that. It has been in the news, however, that they conducted a vendetta against Dreier.


58 posted on 11/15/2004 11:37:23 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
Not currently -- since I don't live there anylonger, but I know they are on during the rush hour and the number of people listening to them during the commute is huge -- they got into a hassel over something with the station management (had to do with management changes) and were fired or left... the complaints over their departure was such that they ended up being hired back.

Last summer when they started the massive calling campaign to Homeland Security to complain about the borders the calls to Homelands Asa was such as they cried uncle. They helped champion Arnold's race last year and were all over the LA Times when they slimed him at the end. They were also the one's who noted the LA Times placed the study on the cost of illegal immigration into the back of section C in the Sunday issue so no one would see how bad the cost to the Tax Payer really is.

I agree they can be a "little" over the top, but I find them entertaining and one thing they are as passionate advocates for whatever issue they take on -- they managed to really rile their base when David Drier had charges for violating McCain-Feingold against them for their charge towards eliminating him from re-election. I didn't want to see a Republican go down, but I'm not a big friend of Drier -- I think he's a phoney.

59 posted on 11/16/2004 12:37:44 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: NormsRevenge

B U M P


60 posted on 11/16/2004 12:42:57 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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