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Learn the difference between fact, fiction (Article from SU professor that needs FReeping)
Albany Times Union ^
| 11/15/2004
| Edward F. McClennen
Posted on 11/15/2004 6:40:10 AM PST by Skywarner
I read an editorial in today's local newspaper that has me absolutely livid. It's from a Syracuse University professor - a preofessor of political philosphy no less - and it ticked me off enough that I had to write back to him and respond, especially after reading his last paragraph I also responded to SU's alumnist society as well as to the Dean.
Here's the text of his letter to the Times Union:
"I was utterly discouraged by Suzanne Fields' Nov. 8 column. I am, presumably, one of the liberals that she rails against.
If she would just stand back and look at herself in the mirror, she would find that the way she writes is the mirror image of the worst that is written by the most extreme and angry of the liberals that she denounces.
In her account, there is no objectivity in their analysis; alas, the same is true of her own remarks and arguments. The right is unquestionably right, and the liberals are unquestionably and utterly wrong. No mention of the lies propagated by the Swift Boat people; only a condemnation of the Rather report.
No mention of the extraordinary bias of Fox News and many other conservative commentators; just a dismissal of those who took the other side. I would suppose that the Times Union is one of the offenders.
I compliment you, then, for publishing her diatribe. She has no insight at all into the complex matter of different conceptions of moral values that have and will continue to be maintained in our society.
On her account, the conservatives have a lock on "the values of common sense that underwrite traditions that have undergirded Judeo-Christian moral codes for centuries." Since my own area of specialty is moral theory, I find this claim on her part particularly ridiculous and offensive.
Again, does she really think that the position a (bare!) majority took on Nov. 2 defines the political culture of our time? Does she really think that a very small plurality is a "ringing vote" for the Bush position? Does she really think that a small majority of people believing that there is a clear connection between Iraq and bin Laden, and that there were WMDs in Iraq, testifies to the "vast reservoir of American common sense," rather than to a disturbing and tragic ignorance on their part?
Perhaps she should return to school and learn something about how to appraise evidence and sort out truth from falsehood. My classes are open -- but only to those with open minds.
EDWARD F. McCLENNEN
Professor of Political Philosophy
Syracuse University"
TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
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The Professor "forgot" to include his email address, so I took the liberty of looking it up for him. It is:
efmcclen@syr.eduThe Dean's email address is: chancellor@syr.edu
The alumnist email address is: alum@maxwell.syr.edu
This guy is the kind of person that is supposedly "teaching" our sons and daughters.
Happy FReeping!
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:40:10 AM PST
by
Skywarner
To: Skywarner
my husband is an alum of the maxwell school at SU, he always gives them an earful when they call looking for cash. i forwarded this to him, i am sure he will have a little something to say.... ; )
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:42:24 AM PST
by
xsmommy
To: Skywarner
Suzanne Fields is a guy?
Think I'll leave this one alone.
MV
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:43:19 AM PST
by
madvlad
((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
To: Skywarner
what swift boat vet lie is he referring to?
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:44:00 AM PST
by
camle
(keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
To: Skywarner
Here is my response that I emailed this morning to the Professor and cc'd the Alumnist Foundation and the Chancellor:
Dear Mr. McClennen:
After reading your Letter to the Editor this morning, I find myself a litle bit stunned to say the least. I find it disturbing that you ended your letter with, an I quote: "Perhaps she [Suzaane Fields] should return to school and learn something about how to appraise evidence ans sort out the truth from falsehood. My classes are open - but only to those with an open mind."
Reread that quote - those are your words. Do you really mean that? Your classes are open, but only to those with an open mind???? If that is so, then you would barred from attending your own class as it is clear from your lengthy article (and from the snippets of articles you have on the internet) that your mind is closed to any political philosophy or discourse other than your own. You have become blind to the hatred from the left, and this hatred - from both sides - has the potential to tear our nation apart.
I am not blind to this, and many other voters are not blind either. You may be surprised to hear this, being that most academic elites such as yourself probably don't mingle much with us "common folks," but one of the reasons for which Bush won with a plurality of the vote and by a margin of over a 3.7 million is that many who voted were simply TIRED of the crap that was being slung back and forth, and in the final assessment in the voting booth, they decided to vote for the more credible and grounded of the two candidates. I realize that this scenario must be sending shockwaves through you right now, but here in the "grass roots" of upstate NY - yes, upstate NY - this is how it happened. Just imagine what it was like elsewhere...
By the way, you mentioned that the public is "ignorant" in thinking that Iraq possessed WMD and in thinking that Bin Laden was tied to Iraq. FACT: WMD had and USED WMD's. FACT: Every single intelligence agency in the world, including France and Germany, stated that Iraq had WMD. FACT: A Bin Laden lieutenant setup shop in Iraq several years BEFORE the war even started, and this same lieutenant is now the leader of the insurgency. FACT: There have been no successful attacks in the US since 9/11. Let me ask you this: Being that you seem to be versed on our nation's intelligence assets, if Iraq had used WMD on us or sold them to any terrorist group, would you be screaming that this administration then failed to act?
See, in the end result, your mind is actually the one that is closed. You condemn this administration no matter the circumstance or outcome. Us "grass roots folks" see and understand this. Would you have also condemned FDR for Operation Market Garden or for our allegiance with the Russians?
If you wish to conduct more successful classes for your students, may I suggest that you take some of your own advice and have an open mind as well. Otherwise, all you are really doing is tailoring your political philosophy classes to those who agree with you while simultaneously alienating those who disagree with you (or at least see other possibilities). That, my friend, is the true tragedy. Is that what the educational process is all about? I sincerely hope not.
Signed,
Name...
An SU alumnist...
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:44:28 AM PST
by
Skywarner
(Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
To: Skywarner
BTW, you could simply FREEP the dean and remind
him that his multi-million $ football program
was spanked by Temple on Sat. That has got to
hurt.
MV
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:44:31 AM PST
by
madvlad
((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
To: madvlad
"Suzanne Fields is a guy?
Hehe, the professor's article is in response to the Nov 8 column from Suzanne Fields...
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:46:16 AM PST
by
Skywarner
(Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
To: Skywarner
No mention of the lies propagated by the Swift Boat people...Yes, I noticed there is no mention of the lies. Perhaps the good perfesser would like to enlighten us?
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:47:31 AM PST
by
randog
(What the....?!)
To: Skywarner
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:48:40 AM PST
by
eagle11
(You can't build a party platform on a social welfare safety net most Americans hope they don't need!)
To: camle
"what swift boat vet lie is he referring to?
Exactly. For a minute, I thought I was reading a column by Lawrence O'Donnell from MSNBC.
When a Lib/Dem/Socialist hears something that they don't like - because they can't handle the truth - they simply respond that it's a lie. It's basically their defense mechanism.
BTW, I like your tag line. Very appropriate for this topic.
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:49:06 AM PST
by
Skywarner
(Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
To: eagle11
"Couldn't have said it better myself."
Thank you!
Feel free to FReep as well. ;-)
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:51:13 AM PST
by
Skywarner
(Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
To: Skywarner
I graduated from SU a few years ago. The place is absolutely swarming with liberals. If I remember correctly, Nader received more votes than Bush at the on-campus polling areas in the 2000 election. Every one of my professors either oozed liberal stench, or were apolitical - probably out of fear of retribution (my coach was a hard-core republican though!) And the activist students were the worst, they would harass you and make an example of you if they disagreed with your politics. An whenever they raised a fit about something, the administration would always put together a task force to address their concerns, instead of telling them to shut the hell up. There's also a very high concentration of Jews here, and you think common sense would prevail with them, but no.
Every few months I get another request for money, but I'll be damned if I give one cent to them until I see some changes made.
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posted on
11/15/2004 6:59:50 AM PST
by
StoneFury
(The only thing hippies understand is the fist)
To: Skywarner
thanx for the nice note inre:tag line.
i have noticed that the libs have been calling the sbv's liars since day one without even mentioning what the alleged lie was. i saw something on fox where the guy just said that the sbv's lied, and everynoe agreed - but never said what they lied about. but nobody ever called them on it.
i'd like to know what lie the sbv's made.
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posted on
11/15/2004 7:00:28 AM PST
by
camle
(keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
To: madvlad
I am willing to bet that the Dean really isn't, um, "hurt" when the football team loses. He probably has better things to do.
To: Skywarner
No mention of the lies propagated by the Swift Boat people; The good professor argues from definition - he defines the claims of the SBVT as being lies just as "objective journalists" do. Saves the hard work of actually debating Paul O'Neil, when he is testifying from firsthand experience and is referring to facts which have been open public knowledge since 1971.
only a condemnation of the Rather report.Now why would anyone condemn a report which was based on nothing more than transparent forgeries?
No mention of the extraordinary bias of Fox News and many other conservative commentators; just a dismissal of those who took the other side. Since you are an expert on moral reasoning, professor, perhaps you would like to explain why you think that journalism should be objective. Wouldn't being "objective" imply being wise? And if we are required to accept claims of wisdom, are we not then placed in the position of children listening to their minders rather than being intelligent adults? Perhaps thinking adults decline to be patronized in that way, professor - and if so, attempting to define away their objections will not carry the day at the voting booth. In which case your main hope would be vote fraud. Typical Democrat.
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posted on
11/15/2004 7:09:49 AM PST
by
conservatism_IS_compassion
(The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
To: Skywarner
I'm sorry, did I miss it when John Kerry released the documents that exposed the Swift Boat Vet's "lies"?
Perhaps this guy should learn the difference between making decisions based on blind facts, and making them based on informed common sense, and yes....a little intuition.
There was no video tape of O.J. Simpson killing his wife, but we know he did it.
To: joedownthestreet
The media as well as the university elite are in the process of writing our history as we speak.
As long as they keep saying things like "the Swift Boat Vets have been thoroughly debunked" and "the Swifties are proven liars" over and over again, they belive it will become a fact.
That way, years from now, they will be able to put a paragraph in the history books that looks like this:
"During the highly contested 2004 election, a Republican backed 527 group called the Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth tried to discredit the Highly Decorated war Hero, Senator John Kerry who was running for President under the Democratic ticket. They were thoroughly discredited."
To: Skywarner
My classes are open -- but only to those with open minds. Don't hold your breath, Prof. I wouldn't waste five minutes of my life keeping my mind open long enough to conclude that you're a hopeless idiot.
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posted on
11/15/2004 7:21:20 AM PST
by
NaughtiusMaximus
(Their women give good lamentation, maybe we can conquer them again sometime.)
To: Skywarner
You wouldn't, by any chance, have the original post that this "Suzanne" wrote - the one that got this mo-ron's panities in a twist?
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posted on
11/15/2004 7:32:14 AM PST
by
rockrr
(I can't wait until sKerry is reduced to the level of a nuisance)
To: StoneFury
Every one of my professors either oozed liberal stench, or were apolitical - probably out of fear of retribution (my coach was a hard-core republican though!)
Were you on the crew team, by any chance?
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posted on
11/15/2004 7:42:59 AM PST
by
drjimmy
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