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Okla. Law Allows Guns on Company Property
fox ^ | 11-14-04

Posted on 11/14/2004 4:58:38 PM PST by LouAvul

TULSA, Okla. — In Oklahoma, "Take Your Gun to Work Day" could be every day — but some employers are trying to change that.

Whirlpool Corp. (WHR) has sued to block a new law that allows employees to keep guns in their locked vehicles on workplace parking lots. The law was scheduled to take effect Nov. 1, according to the Associated Press, but a federal judge blocked it. Only Kentucky has a similar law.

Whirlpool, which is trying to save its ban on firearms (search) on company property, believes workplace safety should override the rights of gun owners.

"This is a standard company rule that's intended to protect employees ... and to minimize the risk of any incident occurring," Whirlpool said in a statement to FOX News.

Tulsa police are similarly concerned about the prospect of violence in the workplace.

.......snip..........

State Rep. Jerry Ellis (search), a Democrat, believes that keeping guns off employer property won't prevent workplace violence.

"People that are going to do violence in the workplace ... it doesn't make any difference how many laws that you have on the books. They have no respect for the law and they're going to do it anyway," Ellis told FOX News.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; workplace
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To: marktwain

>>Some companies are saying that they have the right to restrict people from having guns in their cars that are *not* parked on company property.<<

Who?


61 posted on 11/16/2004 11:56:42 AM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: timm22; Wonder Warthog

Read #16 then think about it for a moment.


62 posted on 11/16/2004 12:05:15 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: timm22

>>I am 23 years old, currently serving in the United States Army and preparing to deploy to Iraq.<<

Thank you for your service. Take good care of yourself over there!


63 posted on 11/16/2004 12:40:21 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: B4Ranch
I admit, my source is weak. There is no court case that I know of, but I recall this discussion on another forum, I think it was AZRKBA, but can't be sure, and a poster said that his company said they could not have guns in their cars while they were at work, even if they did not park on the company lot.

I know it sounds like a stretch, and I wish I had a better reference, but that is what I have.

I know, hearsay.

64 posted on 11/16/2004 5:44:50 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

it DOES sound like a stretch! How in the heck would a company be able to tell you what and what you may not keep in your personal vehicle.

Sounds as if the other person lives in a dictatorship.


65 posted on 11/16/2004 6:58:29 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: B4Ranch

Well, the company could make it a condition of employment. If "the company" finds that you have a firearm in your car while you are at work, you are fired.


66 posted on 11/17/2004 3:32:52 AM PST by marktwain
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To: LouAvul

Oddly enough, I'm going out this afternoon to look for a washer. Whirlpool just fell off the map.


67 posted on 11/17/2004 3:39:15 AM PST by bad company (Four more years.)
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To: bad company

Try Maytag. (But stay away from the front loaders, they are only mediocre in reliability)


68 posted on 11/17/2004 3:42:13 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: marktwain

How would the company" find out except by illegally entering your private vehicle and searching through it?


69 posted on 11/17/2004 8:24:17 AM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: Cobra64
Well Pilgram, based on your logic, if you show up on my property, then I have the tight to drop you.

I'm a firm believer that a man's home is his castle, so I pretty much agree with you there, with two caveats.

First, if you have a large amount of property, you should at least have some kind of warning signs or barriers up to help prevent dropping people who just accidentally wandered onto your land. Likewise, companies should give advance notice to employees if they have anti-gun policies like the one being discussed here before they hire or fire them.

Second, you should be prepared to be investigated by law enforcement agents and possibly tried for dropping an intruder. Taking someone's life is normally a violation of their rights, so an incident involving the use of force needs to be investigated to establish that you acted in defense and did not violate someone's rights. A job, however, is not a right, so an investigation would not be needed if you are fired unless there is a contractual conflict involved.

You libs are beyond belief. BTW, have you ever smelled spent gunpowder or Hoppe's No.9? Do you know the difference between a muzzle and a breach? Can you discern the difference of a pistol, revolver, rifle, carbine, shotgun, tank, airplane, jet, helicopter, fixed-wing vs. rotary? Gunship helo, support operations?

"Us libs"? Hey, I'm not the one siding against the rights of property owners here.

I can answer yes to your questions, though ultimately that really doesn't prove anything other than that I know how to use Google, a TM, and a dictionary. I'm not going to get into a contest over who knows more about firearms- on this site, I'd probably lose.

Besides, it really doesn't have anything to do with the topic. This is a question of principle. I don't have to know how a printing press works or be intimately acquainted with my local synagogue to respect and defend First Amendment rights.

70 posted on 11/17/2004 10:29:47 AM PST by timm22
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To: timm22
"Us libs"? Hey, I'm not the one siding against the rights of property owners here.

Yep. '"Us Libs" went to the market last week.'

Your grammar is just terrific. Thank you for your participation. /sarcasm.

71 posted on 11/17/2004 6:24:20 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64
Your grammar is just terrific. Thank you for your participation. /sarcasm.

Ok, you got me on grammar.

Now, would you care to address any of the points I've made, or will the remainder of your argument rest on name-calling and grammar criticism?

72 posted on 11/17/2004 8:22:11 PM PST by timm22
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To: timm22
I might be able to address this request if I understood your remarks, and, or, comments.

Cheers.

73 posted on 11/17/2004 11:01:15 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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