Posted on 11/14/2004 8:36:26 AM PST by AlfAlpha
The Presbyterian Church has stepped up security at its headquarters and advised its churches to be on alert after receiving a letter threatening arson attacks on its churches because of its policies in the Middle East.
The handwritten letter was received Wednesday at the church's Louisville headquarters, Jerry L. Van Marter, director of the Presbyterian news service, said Saturday. It had no return address, but it was postmarked from Queens, NY, Van Marter said.
The letter threatened to set churches on fire while people were inside in retaliation for "anti-Israel and anti-Jewish attitudes," Van Marter said.
(Excerpt) Read more at whas11.com ...
For some reason, this almost sounds like a propaganda play by pro-Muslim Presbyterians.
I smell a possible rat here. Will this turn out like so many so called phoney attacks on Muslims after 9/11 and the phoney attacks on Gays which are shouted out weekly by the MSM?
Two of the left wing lunatics of this Church were fired for meeting with Hezbollah. If guilty these clymers should face some serious charges.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1279114/posts
Two Presbyterian staff members who met with Hezbollah are fired [Presbyterian Church (USA)]
The Layman Online ^ | Nov 12, 2004 | John H. Adams
Posted on 11/13/2004 8:42:51 AM PST by Mike Fieschko
Friday, November 12, 2004
All I can find after registering at that site is this:
Two Presbyterian Church USA officials fired
12:29 PM EST on Friday, November 12, 2004
Two officials from the Louisville-based Presbyterian Church USA have been fired after they met with leaders of a terrorist group in Lebanon.
The firings include the executive associate director of the church's general assembly council and the coordinator of the advisory committee on social witness policy.
A delegation from the church met with members of the Hezbollah group last month. That group has been linked to the 1983 truck bombing in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. Marines.
Where is the article located that you posted? Thanks
Yep. This is fishy. Local news channels had an article last week regarding communications between PC USA and one of two name brand terrorist groups... I'll see if I can find the article (not promising anything). PC USA has recently announced it is divesting all investments in Israeli owned companies, etc.....
The Presbyterian Church is full of nut cases. How do they get away calling themselves a Church? Do Presbyterians even exist outside of the USA?
The Orthodox Presbyterians are stand-up folks ... not to be confused with PCUSA....
Thanks for the context.
If these two were guilty of meeting with a Hamas terrorist leader, they need to be tried here and in Israel.
I have bumped this story up to a few people in my church, the Epicopalian Church warning them to back off the threat to punish Israel by selling stocks of companies that are pro Israel. If we have something similiar going on in our church, those involved should be tried and sent to Israel for trial.
Looks ridiculous on its face to me as well. The pattern of Muslim threats against churches based on the Middle East situation is routine. I've never heard of a Jewish terror threat against anyone for anything. Furthermore, there are many US synagogues to the left of any church with regards to their position on Israel - total, abject appeasers - who would be the logical target of such a threat first. Then of course there is the contradiction that one cannot be Jewish (or Christian Zionist, the other possibly imputed source) and threaten murder - such a thing is a direct affront to the core principles of Judaism.
I believe that this is the article, and I posted in my reply #5 on this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1279697/posts?page=5#5
So with regards to the threat itself, do think this is just another left-wing Tawana Brawley episode?
"For some reason, this almost sounds like a propaganda play by pro-Muslim Presbyterians."
Once again you and I are on the same wave length.
Conservatives in the Presbyterian Church should request that Homeland Security and the FBI investigate this.
False threats are considered an act of terrorism.
"So with regards to the threat itself, do you think this is just another left-wing Tawana Brawley episode?"
Yes at this time I smell left wing rats spreading this.
In N California after 9/11 the left wing mediots had all types of stories of threats beatings and stuff on the poor Muslim Communities and Mosques. It turned out to be false in about 99.99% of the cases like most of the so called hate crimes.
(Funny how no one ever dogged Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson for trotting off to chat up Khaddafi or others. Strange.)
I think there's more at stake here than meets the eye. I think the snafu over the State's strongarming the Presbyterians over how they invest their money theatens to expose the Arab League Boycott as the shakedown for both the State and Israel that it may well be.
Progress, Problems On Divestment
Jews, Protestants to travel to Israel together Jews and mainline Christian activists who are considering divestment from Israel made some progress toward resolving their differences at a meeting in Washington last week actually agreeing to travel to Israel together but also ran into one big obstacle. (JTA) - Jewish Democrats slam Presbyterians Dear Representative ---- (JTA) - Terror language leads to grant rejection Members Of Congress To Commerce Dept: Anti-Israel Divestment Campaigns Violate U.S. Anti-Boycott Laws NEW YORK- A bipartisan group of thirteen Members of Congress has sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Commerce, urging the shutdown of anti-Israel divestment campaigns, because they violate U.S. laws regarding the Arab boycott of Israel. The letter was initiated by the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA). It was led by U.S. Representatives Jim Saxton (R-NJ) and Rob Andrews (D-NJ), and also signed by Representatives Joseph Crowley (D-NY), Pete Sessions (R-TX), Dennis Cardoza (D-CA), Michael McNulty (D-NY), Peter King (R-NY), Madeleine Bordallo (D-GU), Martin Frost (D-TX), Philip Crane (R-IL), Shelley Berkley (D-NV), Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY), Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO). The letter, which was sent to the Commerce Departments Office of Anti-boycott Compliance, noted that by urging Americans to divest their holdings in companies doing business with Israel, the divestment organizers are illegally furnishing information about U.S. companies that have business relationships in or with Israel, and specifically advocate that these companies be boycotted. Such actions are expressly prohibited by the anti-boycott provisions of the Export Administration Act, which were enacted in response to congressional concerns about the Arab boycott of Israel. The Congressional letter noted that divestment supporters are actively promoting the boycott of Israel on the internet and have launched divestment campaigns on more than thirty college campuses, including the University of California at Berkeley and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. The divestment campaign poses serious economic consequences for our country, the letter pointed out, noting that according to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the Arab boycott of Israel is a substantive impediment to U.S. trade and investment. The financial future of U.S. companies and the status of our countrys international trade ... are at stake. The Congressmembers urged the Office of Anti-boycott Compliance to investigate the national boycott campaign against Israel, shut down the illegal divestment campaigns, and impose the appropriate penalties. The letter added that the issue is urgent because a national student divestment conference is scheduled to be held at Duke University on October 15, 2004. Susan B. Tuchman, director of the ZOAs Center for Law and Justice, which has been active on this issue, said: These thirteen Members of Congress are to be commended for their forthright and principled stand against the divestment proponents, who are violating U.S. law by illegally promoting economic warfare against Americas ally, Israel.
From The Jewish Home Journal [...] As [do] most of my friends in the rabbinic community, I struggle with many of the decisions of the Israeli government. Like most people in the world, I do not see an easy solution to the crisis that besets the Palestinians and the Israelis.... [But] the debate rhetoric at GA resounded with ignorantly dangerous and inflammatory comparisons of Israel to apartheid South Africa there is no truth in such rhetoric, but the damage was done even though the final resolutions did not use such language. This denomination carefully divested its portfolio during the crisis in South Africa, but it has done little else of such magnitude in this risky venue since. For instance, it has not called for divestment of firms doing business in China, one of the worlds worst offenders of human and religious rights, and weve not taken divestment actions against nuclear N. Korea or Iran, and not against Sudan for Darfur (with one exception before Darfur reached the headlines). We have not divested ourselves of firms doing business in Saudi Arabia (remember where the 9/11 hijackers came from and where the bin Laden funding has found favor and laundering). Export Administration Act: The Export Administration Act of 1979, as amended, has been in lapse since August 21, 2001. In the absence of an Export Administration Act, the U.S. dual-use export control system continues to be dependent on the President's invocation of emergency powers under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. As demonstrated by recent events, having a modern, coherent, and effective system of dual-use export controls -- to prevent terrorists, rogue states, and proliferators of weapons of mass destruction from accessing sensitive U.S.-origin goods and technology -- is now more important than ever. The Administration supports legislation to create a streamlined and strengthened export control system that effectively promotes both U.S. national security and U.S. economic interests. St. Jude Medical Export GmbH Settles Charges of Antiboycott Violations (2004) Maryland Company Settles Charges of Antiboycott Violations Summary: U.S. Department of Commerce: For Immediate Release: April 14, 2004 Contact - BIS Public Affairs 202-482-2721 Invitrogen agreed to a $2,000 civil penalty to settle allegations of violations of US antiboycott provisions of the Export Administration Regulations. Having some trouble finding an +EAR +boycott +settlement sans mention of Israel for comparison purposes but this one last is interesting.
I find it strange that our premier "former Communists" consultant to the Homeland Defense Ministry -- Yevgeny (Finkelstein) Primakov -- changed his own name out of sensitivity to its provocative nature and potential for trouble while the Former CCCP's specialist in Arab affairs.
Yet that same sensitivity cost Johns-Hopkins the maximum fine in Uncle Sam's shakedown efforts courtesy of the boycott the Arabs so kindly keep in place!
To wit:
Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Enforcement Michael J. Garcia announced today that Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation in Baltimore, Maryland has agreed to pay the maximum $10,000 civil penalty to settle charges that it violated U.S. antiboycott laws by discriminating against an individual in support of the Arab League boycott of Israel. Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation voluntarily disclosed the incident and cooperated fully with the subsequent investigation.
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The Layman (news of the firings)
Progress, Problems On Divestment (The Jewish Week)
(JTA) - Jewish Democrats slam Presbyterians (Cleveland Jewish News)
(JTA) - Terror language leads to grant rejection (Cleveland Jewish News)
Members Of Congress To Commerce Dept:
Anti-Israel Divestment Campaigns Violate U.S. Anti-Boycott Laws (Zionists of America? "ZOA")
From The Jewish Home Journal
Export Administration Act: (BXA.doc.gov)
St. Jude Medical Export GmbH Settles Charges of Antiboycott Violations (2004) (www.bxa.doc.gov/News/2004/StJudeMedicalSep_04.htm)
Maryland Company Settles Charges of Antiboycott Violations (Boycott Watch)
August 6, 2002 (www.bis.doc.gov/press/2002/JohnsHopkinsPays.htm)
Wrong. "The Presbyterian Church" has no meaning and is a generalization.
Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) is a group of churches that are really just a feather on the wing of the liberal Democrat Party. PCUSA supports homosexual marriage and is generally antisemitic, but pro-muslim. Their parishioners provide a huge chunk of AIDS funding, which in turn goes to support homosexual activism. PCUSA is also pro-pro-pro-abortion.
Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is conservative, anti-abortion and biblically driven. PCA came into existence when it became clear that PCUSA had been taken over by the liberal left. PCA is growing in leaps and bounds.
There are other Presbyterian organizations that are also conservative, like Associate Reformed Presbyterian (AFP).
This threat is against PCUSA and could be from anyone that despises the agenda of this ultra-liberal group that misuses religion for the monetary gain of few.
Do Presbyterians even exist outside of the USA?
Yes, they are all over the world and began in Scotland.
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