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To: Drammach
What happens if a "democratic" society simply keeps electing those that enact more and more social benefits? When does this become socialism? Is it possible, if it remains to the vote of the masses, socialism is inevitable - and, as always, followed by its inevitable failure?

Most, I understand, of the socialistic countries of Europe have very high tax rates (70%+) and are bankrupt.

12 posted on 11/14/2004 7:21:21 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: RAY
...."democratic" society simply keeps electing those that enact more and more social benefits? When does this become socialism? Is it possible, if it remains to the vote of the masses, socialism is inevitable - and, as always, followed by its inevitable failure?

You pretty much answered your own question there.. LOL..

Yes, that's one of the reasons america was set up as a "republic"..
Someone back then noted just what you did..
At some point in a democratic state, the people realize tehy can simply "vote" themselves money.. (benefits)
At that point democracy becomes socialism, and the inevitable decline of the society begins..

That was one of the reasons Senators were to be appointed by the legislature of each state, and not elected by the people..
It was also one of the reasons that, while the people elect their state representatives, it is the reps in the house that make the laws, not the people..
The representatives of the people, (house) and the representatives of the states, (senate) were supposed to be a controlling influence on the "mass psychology" of the people's political swings from Liberalism to Conservatism, which historically, at times can become extremist in their moods..
Congress was supposed to be a slow, deliberative body that evened out the swinging pendulum of public opinion and prevented radical solutions to common problems..
Congress is now a "reactive" body, that exhibits no control at all, either politically or fiscally..
Note any similarities to the present political situation ?

"Someone" also noted that democracy is a necessary step in the road to socialism, which is the intermediate step to communism.. ( Marx ? Engles ? Stalin ? )

Anyway, that's my opinion for what it's worth..

19 posted on 11/14/2004 7:43:10 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: RAY
What happens if a "democratic" society simply keeps electing those that enact more and more social benefits? When does this become socialism? Is it possible, if it remains to the vote of the masses, socialism is inevitable - and, as always, followed by its inevitable failure?

According to Scottish historian Alexander Tytler:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

Next time you hear a democrat complaining that we ignorant red staters are voting "against our own economic self-interests", whip this little goodie out on them.

35 posted on 11/14/2004 12:10:35 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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