Posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:15 AM PST by MidTown_Doc
Al-Taqiyah
B.S.
A religious order that prevents you from questioning or thinking about it has issues. Any "religion" that demands death for leaving it has more issues.
80% of the Mosques in America are Wahabi.
You article quotes someone from '.id'/ Indonesia.
Try posting your BS/whitewash on an Arab board.
Is there such a thing as an honest adult Muslim?
Islam = LIES, LIES, LIES, DEATH DEATH DEATH! Always has, always will.
#2 same here.
It can't be sooo bad...look, CAT STEVENS is a member of this gangsta-religion of peace..
In the Islamic media ... he is a moderate. I do appreciate you turning your fear of another opinion (I personally don't agree with the article) into a personal attack.
Nice show of adult behavior......
It's terribly unfortunate that so many Christians get hung up on the "Allah" thing and overlook all the other things that are so much more important, one of which is the "lie to protect the faith".
Notice how he handles Jesus ~ you'd never guess from what he says that he's not a Trinitarian, and that's just the beginning. Protestants should be concerned about the Islamic view of Jesus' mother, Mary, of course, and Hindus should worry about this "(only the) second coming" business.
What a load of hooey.
My post was NOT a personal attack.
It was an enlightened and discerning observation... resulting in a suggestion to you that you might find Fruitful.
I have done so.. recently Posted an article from a Indonesian moderate...on an American Muslim board with an Arab leaning.
They scoffed that he didn't have a beard ,, and these were North Amercian Muslims.
That 'Cat Stevens' Islam plays well to Unsophisticated Americans. BUT they are NOT "Just like us".. even the moderates that post on other boards I converse with.
They do NO Beliove Jesus is the son of God.
(your article delicately doesn't mention that.)
They believe the Bible is Corrupt.. every word.
They do NOT share a vision of a Democratic society.
Any true Muslim is for a Sharia Goverment.
Also Capitalism is considered a Weestern Vice.
Here is a BRIEF conversation I had on the 'WhyIslam' Forum:
From an 'American' Islamic board:
MY questions in small case.. his answer sin CAPS...
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The question is clearly an important one; and the article poses several obvious questions.
Can Muslims have a Democratic society?
WE BELIEVE IN SHURA, NOT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY TAKES AWAY THE BELIEF THAT ULTIMATELY GOD ALONE IS THE LAW GIVER E.G PEOPLE IN THE USA MAY SOON VOTE FOR "DEMOCRATICALLY" FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGES, WHICH (UNDER ANY RELIGION, NOT JUST ISLAM) IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF THE ULTIMATE LAW GIVER.
Do they want one?
SHURA IS THE WAY OF THE MUSLIMS, NOT DEMOCRACY
Should a country be ruled by a religous or a secular leader?
THERE IS NO SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN ISLAM, AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT.
Should Muslims who are a Minority in a country work to make it Shari'a instead of whatever that country currently is?
NO, THEY SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON DAWAH 100% IMHO. WHICH IS WHY WE ARE ON THIS FORUM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WHAT should "Muslims in the West" Do about the countries they live in and changing their politics.. or world politics.
DO WHATEVER BENEFITS THE MUSLIMS BOTH IN THE COUNTIRES THEY LIVE IN AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, FOR EXAMPLE SUPPORTING POLITICIANS LIKE RALPH NADER WHO SAYS HE'LL STOP GIVING AID TO ISRAEL.
Should Muslims try and convert non-Muslims?
IF YOU SAW PEOPLE BURING IN A HOUSE AND YOU COULD SAVE THEM, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? THIS IS THE ATTITUDE A MUSLIM IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO NON MUSLIMS.
Is the goal a World where everyone is a Muslim? A Universal Ummah?
THAT IS UPTO GOD. IN MANY PLACES IN THE QURAN, HE SAYS HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS IF IT WAS HIS WILL, BUT IT WAS NOT HIS WILL TO DO THIS. AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIMS TO CARRY THE MESSAGE TO EVERYONE THEY COME INTO CONTACT WITH.
What should be the reaction of Muslims to Politicians (or others) who become apostate/nonbelievers or convert to another religion?
IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY, IT WOULD BE LIKE DEFECTING TO THE ENEMY.
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Nice cherry picking from the Koran to suit the author's thesis-one must look at Islam's actions, not it's words, in order to get the true sense of what they are about...and quite frankly, I have seen enough.
Mohammed prayed to a moon god. That is satanic.
Gee, Abdul, thanks for straightening us out.
What about the part where Muslims are authorized to lie to their women and their infidel enemies?
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