[lentulusgracchus]

You'll know Libs get it when they support cutting back on sex education in school and substitue gun safety.

Or full-on firearms training, lots of it, and crime-avoidance training, and how to resist a rape or kidnapping with the help of a sidearm.

Twenty years from now, I would like it very much to be known throughout the Middle East that you may be able to snipe an American from a "safe" distance, but that the very last thing you want to try to do is to kidnap one.

[castlebrew]

And if more would read some of Elmer Keith's work, that "safe" distance would have to be at least 300yds.

We have an annual Elmer Keith shoot; the targets are at 150 yds, and no scopes allowed - iron sights only. Most are pretty amazed at what you can do with a .22.

John Linebaugh's Six-Gun Seminar this last June saw some great results with .38 Special "plinker" loads at 500 yards, and .357 Mag at 600 yds. Folks shooting the full-house .475 and .500 loads were duly impressed!