Chinese and Russian Cooperation With North Korea (Is the US being snookered?)

Newsmax ^ | Alexandr Nemets and Dr. Thomas Torda

[TapTheSource]

I don't necessarily buy the notion that relations ever soured between North Korea and the Russia/Red China alliance. There is one thing this article makes clear, however. Russia and Red China are using North Korea as a surrogate to advance their global agenda. They've got us going around in circles re: North Korea's nukes while they quitly use North Korea to arm just about every terror nation and terrorist group imaginable.

[TapTheSource]

ping!

[Ptarmigan]

North Korea was Russia, at the time Soviet Unions creation after World War II.

[ApesForEvolution]

I've been pointing this out for years, but the globalist tools have been blinded and deaf to the machine being built to slaughter or make us captive...

[TapTheSource]

Couldn't agree with you more. You might also want to check out post #3 re: the link below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1279192/posts

[JasonC]

To be snookered, you first have to believe somebody. We don't believe them to begin with. Of course they support NK, NK is a proxy troublemaker just separated enough from them to leave plausible deniability between them and its misdeeds. Everyone involved knows it.

[TapTheSource]

Then why do we go on with the charade of multilateral talks (Russia, Red China, US, etc) with N. Korea? It only serves to take the focus off of how North Korea is being used as a surrogate for Russian/Red Chinese arms proliferation to terrorists and terrorist nations. It reminds me of the Cuban Missile Crisis, in which the Soviets promised to get rid of the Nukes in Cuba in exchange for US acceptance of a permanent Communist dictatorship 90 miles from Florida.

[dasboot]

So that's why we're pullin' our guys out of SK. Don't want them exposed to fallout or flash injuries.

[JasonC]

It is simply a way of rubbing their noses in the fact that we know. We refuse to negotiate with NK alone, because we know perfectly well the shots are being called elsewhere. We demand those making the actual decisions are also at the table, as well as their lacky. Their lacky does not like that, we say, "tough toenails". That is all.

[TapTheSource]

post #7 continued...

That is, we exchanged getting rid of nukes in Cuba for accepting a permanent terror-supporting Communist regime 90 miles from our southern flank. Lots of similarities between the Cuban Missile Crisis and N. Korean nukes IMHO.

[TapTheSource]

That's exactly what we did during the Cuban Missile Crisis. We lost that one. What makes you think it will be any different this time?

[yankeedame]

Chinese and Russian Cooperation With North Korea

I don't know about Russia but I do know that historically speaking -- we're talking 1500+ years -- there has never been any love lost between Korea (North and/or South) and China. And, again historically speaking, there has never been much love lost between China (Tartars, Manchu, etc.) and Russia (Slavs,etc.). Plus let's not forget that all are communists, and communists governments have a well know penchant of cutting the throats of other communist governments.

"Cooperation" among three perennial enemies, three communists government (each claiming to be the "true" one). IMHO it is an alliance held together by self-interest, greed, and wisps of smoke.

[JasonC]

We will simply tell China to take away the present NK government, or their nukes, or we will take away either or both ourselves by direct military action. We just do not choose to do so right this minute, because we have other fish to fry, first. That is just move order.

[dasboot]

Greetings, O hard-working, most cogent one!

True that you are now in MA? Celebrity Proximity thrill!

signed, A. Fann.

[TapTheSource]

"We will simply tell China to take away the present NK government, or their nukes, or we will take away either or both ourselves by direct military action. We just do not choose to do so right this minute, because we have other fish to fry, first. That is just move order."

Why not just expose N. Korea nuclear farce and Russia and Red China's arms proliferation (to our enemies) via N. Korea instead?

[StJacques]

There are reasons to view recent Chinese and Russian exchanges with North Korea as troubling, but I think there are some problems with the inner logic of portions -- not all, because there is some good evidence presented there -- of the above article. I'd like to address a couple of those.

First of all; the sheer volume of Chinese trade with South Korea places a far greater burden on the Chinese to seek a diplomatic settlement of North Korean difficulties than all of the North Korean exchanges with China. The article makes clear that in 1998 that trade surpassed $21 Billion. It goes without saying that there must be significant interests within China who recognize that promoting tensions between North and South Korea, and by extension the U.S., will put all of that at risk, and I don't think the Chinese want that at all. But the Chinese have little guidance of their trade relations from above, simply put, China is open for business and moral or policy issues do not enter into the equation.

The Russians are undoubtedly attempting to remain a player in East Asia as well as attempting to expand markets for their oil and natural gas resources, which are big money makers for the Russian government. Since China has long resisted becoming dependent upon Russia for anything, especially energy resources, it only makes sense that the Russians would want to cultivate South Korea and Japan as customers. I'll leave Japan alone here for the moment, but getting natural gas resources to South Korea would of necessity require North Korean cooperation, and I think that would be a good thing, because it would establish mutual economic interests on the part of all parties involved to avoid destabilizing the Korean peninsula. Trade promotes peace.

But what the authors of the article point out that is genuinely troubling for the U.S. is the way in which China, Russia, and North Korea are reacting to the proposed East Asian Theater Missile Defense system. And I will point out that several of the European powers are trying to check our deployment of that system as well. But I believe that we must go ahead with our plans to put this system in place and for a very long list of reasons, some of which include the fact that North Korea is developing both missile and nuclear technology and has on occasion used some pretty bellicose language -- some of which is cited in the article -- towards us, the Chinese have had nuclear technology for a while and have been accelerating their missile program, thanks in no small part to the Clinton administration for secretly conveying key technology to them, and our relationship with Japan, which is more important to us than anything we have going with China or Russia, is dependent upon convincing the Japanese that we can keep them safe. We have to proceed with the deployment of that system in my opinion. And I haven't mentioned anything about how China may view the deployment of the TMD system as weakening any attempt on their part to coerce Taiwan into a reconciliation entirely on mainland China's terms, something else the U.S. should oppose.

I also must take issue with one comment made after the posting of the article:

"I don't necessarily buy the notion that relations ever soured between North Korea and the Russia/Red China alliance."

It can be legitimately argued that both Russia and China continued to maintain relations with North Korea through the years that have been closer than their public pronouncements. But the "Russia/Red China alliance" has not existed for a long time. In the late 1960's the Soviet Union and China fought and undeclared border war over disputes between the two on China's northern and western borders, the Chinese viewed with alarm the close relations between the Soviets and the Vietnamese as the War in Vietnam came to a close, the Chinese actively opposed the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, and in a large sense described Soviet foreign policy as "Hegemonism," certainly not the kind of thing that indicates an alliance. But with all of this having been said there is evidence of a reconciliation between Russia and China in recent years, and the above article points to some of the evidence that suggests it is continuing.

[struwwelpeter]

I'm getting sick of seeing new enhanced-warhead RPGs taking out our Abrams in Faluja. Meanwhile, the usual suspects claim that Holy Mother Russia is our best hope, and that:

a) It's nothing personal, just business.

b) US deserves a little pay-back for giving moral support to Chechnya in the mid-1990s.

If the new SA-14s and 16s somehow find their way to the "insurgents", perhaps we should ask the Chechnyans if they want to buy a boomer or two.

Nothing personal, just to earn some foreign exchange you see.

[TapTheSource]

lol!!! Thanks for your VERY refreshing post--TTS

[JasonC]

Yes, I am in Arlington, MA at the moment. I work in Concord, MA. Where are you?

[JasonC]

Exposing does nothing. What is supposed to be the consequence? Strident leading editorials from the useful idiot crowd? The point is to stop and reverse successful proliferation.