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To: FairOpinion

Based on what I know (my Dad lived it) if you get an a**hole with a grudge who thinks he knows everything as a new boss (especially a 'Chief of Staff'??, anyone with retirement ready is going to leave.

What is it with American managment? A manager gains the most when he/she LISTENS to people with experience.

At this point, even given that the story originated in the NYTimes, I side with those that are leaving.


4 posted on 11/13/2004 7:11:15 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: txzman

The same "experience" that gave the President the WMD info.


9 posted on 11/13/2004 7:16:33 AM PST by embedded_rebel
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To: txzman

That is why I said I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

If they are cleaning out the anti-Bush holdover, who really aren't professionals, because professionals wouldn't engage in breeching security for politics, that's good.

But if they are coming in being brash and disrespectful of professional agents, who worked there for many years and know reality, and who are true professionals, then it's bad, because the good people are leaving and the bad ones are staying.

I can't tell from either the editorial, or from the other articles on the subject.


11 posted on 11/13/2004 7:16:57 AM PST by FairOpinion (Thank you Swifties, POWs & Vets. We couldn't have done it without you.)
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To: txzman

Don't forget -- the ones who are confronted will never go sweetly (does YOUR teenager?). Good riddance to the bad rubbish, I say.


12 posted on 11/13/2004 7:17:59 AM PST by bboop
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To: txzman
I don't. Those who leave, leave. If they're good guys, they wouldn't be leaving while this country is at war. Simple as that.

There's been something rotten at Langley for a long time. Time to clean up both the CIA and State.

State can be handled by some reassignments to some of the more God forsaken places on this earth, since most of them don't have the pride to quit.

19 posted on 11/13/2004 7:26:15 AM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: txzman

It might be related to the management style of Patrick Murray.


22 posted on 11/13/2004 7:27:09 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: txzman

You make your case privately, not in a politically damaging way to the President. Those people politicized the CIA; they should be fired.


25 posted on 11/13/2004 7:28:22 AM PST by rushmom
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To: txzman

The recently appointed head of the Directorate of Operations (spy side of the CIA)Stephen Kappes turned in his resignation because he didn't want to be bossed around by a guy Goss brought in to help him, Patrick Murray. Murray may have overplayed his hand.

Kappes is a person who can recruit agents. He is a professional who came into the CIA from the Marines. He speaks Russian and Farsi. He ran a Russian intelligence officer, a linguist, who spoke an African language. He probably also recruited others, but this guy was finally caught by the Russians so we know about it.

The White House asked Kappes not to resign.

I predict that Goss will have to put a leash in his underling Patrick Murray. Murray didn't do too well when he worked at the CIA and is now back trying to lord it over others because of his patron.


31 posted on 11/13/2004 7:34:04 AM PST by Snapple
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To: txzman

The sad thing is if we lose good people, it hurts the American people who these CIA people are to protect with intelligence. These are very smart people with huge egos who do not want anything they say questioned. Many have certainly messed up but it was not all their fault.
If there are bad people, dump them out of patriotism, they owe the CIA info on what they know.


54 posted on 11/13/2004 8:26:33 AM PST by Pedrobud (Thank GOD Bush won !! America is smarter than many thought !!)
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To: txzman
What is it with American management? A manager gains the most when he/she LISTENS to people with experience.

Having been a government bureaucrat for over 35 years including being a senior manager, the problem isn't that political appointees are not listening to the advice of careerists, but rather, the political appointees are not following their advice. That said, many careerists look with condescension on the political appointees and try to undermine their decisions through various bureaucratic tricks including leaks, inaction, and the interjection of various legalisms and rules. Their (careerists) hubris is only surpassed by their incompetence.

The President has every reason to expect that the Executive Branch will support and implement his policy decisions. The CIA was clearly off the reservation during this past election cycle and needs to be reined in. The performance of the Agency has been found wanting for several decades. The failures of the intelligence community have been well-documented from Iran to Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union to North Korea to India/Pakistan to al-Qaeda. A shake-up in the careerists is long overdue. They need to be held acountable for their poor performance.

58 posted on 11/13/2004 8:49:50 AM PST by kabar
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To: txzman
"I side with those that are leaving."

Consider that most of the CIA is bureaucracy. Most of bureaucracy are natural liberals - eg Public Employee's Union.

I for one look forward to the dissidents trying to undermine the President moving on in failure. the Bush family is well known for putting loyalty above all else and George was the enforcer. Perhaps ex-CIA chief X41 can help.
60 posted on 11/13/2004 9:08:26 AM PST by yeetch!
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To: txzman
At this point, even given that the story originated in the NYTimes, I side with those that are leaving.

The point is there are those in the CIA who will tell lies in order to try and bring down President Bush.

Why you would "side" with such is, well, disgusting.

68 posted on 11/13/2004 10:04:28 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: txzman

Every one has one and its called opinion or asshole take your pick.


74 posted on 11/13/2004 10:23:04 AM PST by cksharks (ew prayers for them because they will need it.)
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To: txzman; theFIRMbss; kenth; EagleUSA; Norman Bates
"I side with those that are leaving."- txzman

"...seeing it in the New York Times, we can all be sure it's claptrap."- theFIRMbss

See # 59

"Then, when they're done there, send them over to State."- kenth

You got it!

85 posted on 11/13/2004 11:50:36 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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