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To: Skywalk; Robert_Paulson2; Modernman; tpaine; malakhi; Melas; Phantom Lord; antiRepublicrat; ...
"For many pro-lifers, we could have a safe, secure society, with a flat tax, reformed tax code, the end of over-regulation, thriving business, a resolution to Social Security and Medicare that not only works but maximizes freedom and choice, we could end the hold of public schools on education, etc etc but if we had abortion, even in the first trimester, the pro-lifers would rather go with the status quo plus an abortion ban."

"What a bunch of nutjobs."

Well said. The comments on this thread by the zealots offer ample proof of this.

Having read the WHOLE thing, the obsession with which this small minority (and it appears as only a half-dozen or so continuous posters) approaches the issue seems to crowd out all logic, all sense, all proportion. One wonders just how such obsessive singlemindedness was created in their minds, and what sustains it.

We are told that the vast majority of Americans do not favor legalized abortion; yet, it exists, and no amendment to the contrary has even a ghost of a chance of passage.

We are told, piously, that because of abortion, our nation might deserve to be conquered by Islamist barbarians.

We are told repeatedly of "millions" of "butchered babies", and some are accused of aiding that "butchery" by simply holding a differing opinion on the subject; an example of attempted thought control with hyperbole beyond equal.

We are told that ANY divergence from the most extreme, far-out position is to be the same as a "mass murderer" or (laugh) "serial killer".

We are told that Alan Keyes' loss in Illinois was NOT his own fault, it was OURS.

We are told that viewing this or that website, or reading this or that pamphlet, or book, will change our minds completely...yet, abortion is still legal.

We are assured that women who have abortions MUST enjoy it(!).

We are presented with arguments which actually support, in principle, those who murder abortion providers, blow up clinics, and generally behave in as depraved a manner as is attributed to their victims.

We are assured that, JUST THIS ONCE, a "litmus test" and an "activist judge" who "rewrites laws" would be "A-OK!".

One of the many reasons I am not "prolife" as is commonly defined here is the abysmal conduct and frankly insane behavior of the more extreme factions of that movement. They put the fiery sword to all the decent, caring people who honestly work for change of hearts and minds.

This ridiculous "demand" should further help to marginalize them. As do all their "efforts".

1,275 posted on 11/14/2004 9:47:43 AM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

Well said.


1,278 posted on 11/14/2004 9:49:41 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Long Cut
Wow.

What you said.

1,279 posted on 11/14/2004 9:50:33 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: Long Cut

Long Cut claims that this thread includes, among other things, the following:

"We are presented with arguments which actually support, in principle, those who murder abortion providers, blow up clinics, and generally behave in as depraved a manner as is attributed to their victims."

OK Long Cut, PUT UP or SHUT UP. Show where anyone on this thread support the murder of abortionists. Go ahead. Or are you just playing to your frineds with your polemics?


1,284 posted on 11/14/2004 10:03:48 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Long Cut

You're a pretty talented kinda guy, even if your rhetoric towards pro-lifers is loaded with innaccuracies and unfairness.

Why don't you turn those skills to the job of keeping Specter out of the committee chairmanship?

Be selfless. Do it for the babies.


1,286 posted on 11/14/2004 10:05:22 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Long Cut; Cold Heat
One simple yes or no question for you:

Do you want Roe v Wade overturned or not?

1,291 posted on 11/14/2004 10:10:23 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Long Cut

Well said.

This is an issue that does not belong in politics or the courts.

All this talk of judges who legislate from the bench is just what is being advocated.


1,299 posted on 11/14/2004 10:17:31 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Long Cut
"What a bunch of nutjobs."

Long Cut wrote:

Well said. The comments on this thread by the zealots offer ample proof of this.
Having read the WHOLE thing, the obsession with which this small minority (and it appears as only a half-dozen or so continuous posters) approaches the issue seems to crowd out all logic, all sense, all proportion.
One wonders just how such obsessive singlemindedness was created in their minds, and what sustains it.

Fanatical devotion 'to the cause', [any cause, not just abortion], is a mental illness imho.
Devotees seem to find their cause, and zealously embrace its tenets irregardless of whether those beliefs further even their own self interest in liberty. -- They become self-less in a cause that destroys their own freedom, and the freedoms of their peers.

Such men are mad.

As we are finding out in Iraq in our war on terrorists.

1,380 posted on 11/14/2004 11:24:07 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Long Cut

Thanks for the ping.


1,413 posted on 11/14/2004 11:57:17 AM PST by risk
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To: Long Cut

I can add nothing to your post.
*ovation*


1,493 posted on 11/14/2004 1:24:22 PM PST by King Prout (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: Long Cut; jwalsh07; Luis Gonzalez; sinkspur
One of the many reasons I am not "prolife" as is commonly defined here is the abysmal conduct and frankly insane behavior of the more extreme factions of that movement.

The debate on abortion in the public square is mostly spam. That does not excuse each of us from reaching our own considered judgment, without being put off by the nutjobs on either side. I have had the same view on abortion since I was in college, when I was quite vocal about it. It should be legal in the first trimester, illegal in the third, and I'm not sure about the second. It should not be a matter for the courts to decide. It is a matter within certain limits, about which intelligent people of good will can disagree. We should not demonize each other within those limits, as being morally flawed cretins, one way or the other.

That is how I see it and call it.

1,674 posted on 11/14/2004 9:04:26 PM PST by Torie
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