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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: AndyJackson
Perhaps the babies that god butchers are souls so predisposed to corruption and damnation that god decided to end the matter right their he decided to damn the soul to the eternal fires right there...

You don't even understand grammar and common sense.

Funny stuff, right there.

701 posted on 11/13/2004 3:14:05 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: cpforlife.org
One thing we seem to forget is that we all want judges that are good Conservative judges that believe in a strict literal interpretation of the Constitution.

We don't want judges that legislate from the bench.

This is how the liberals got Roe Vs Wade. This how we got homosexual marriage in Vermont. This why all those propositions the people in California pass get slapped down by the ultra liberal 9th circuit.

A good Conservative judge will recognize that all these are wrong. He will believe in the right to life granted in the Constitution.

A judge that believes that the right of life is paramount, believes that the second amendment is a right of the people, does not believe in legislating from the bench and is a strong believer in states rights. is what you call a good conservative judge.

If he does not believe in these things then he is not Conservative. This is why the Democrats use Roe V Wade as their basic litmus test.

If a nominee believes in abortion and will support Roe Vs Wade then they know he is not conservative, or at best one who will compromise on the other conservative principles such as the right to bear arms.

Those of us who support the right to life, the second amendment, who believe it is wrong for a few men in robes to impose their will and values on three hundred million others, are all looking for the same man to be on the bench.

There is a lot more than one issue at stake. We better stick together and makes our wishes known now.

Because our country, our children and our grandchildren are going to have to live with the results of what these people decide for the next 50 years.

702 posted on 11/13/2004 3:15:52 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

"I'd call that a "significant portion"."

Then go ahead and propose a constitutional amendment and be done with it. If you have the support of the vast majority of americans it should be no problem.


703 posted on 11/13/2004 3:17:59 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Clorinox
Then go ahead and propose a constitutional amendment and be done with it. If you have the support of the vast majority of americans it should be no problem.

Well... okay.

I HEREBY PROPOSE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

Wow, I feel so empowered. Do I need to print out this post and get it notarized or anything? Or did all the abortion mills just simultaneously close their doors?

704 posted on 11/13/2004 3:27:37 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: AndyJackson

"Perhaps the babies that god butchers are souls so predisposed to corruption and damnation that god decided to end the matter right their he decided to damn the soul to the eternal fires"

Thats where I got that "silly" idea!


705 posted on 11/13/2004 3:33:12 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: cpforlife.org

Amen


706 posted on 11/13/2004 3:37:32 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: Skywalk

The nutjobs gave the republican party their victory.

You other idiots can ignore them at your peril


707 posted on 11/13/2004 3:38:40 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: narses
I didn't say that. Another LIE told about me by you

This IS your post, isn't it?

How many babies were killed so that your sister could have a few more years of life?

708 posted on 11/13/2004 3:40:46 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
The nutjobs gave the republican party their victory.

You other idiots can ignore them at your peril

YEAH!

709 posted on 11/13/2004 3:40:56 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: ApesForEvolution

OMG, you are unreal; now go stand in the corner (but that WAS funny!)


710 posted on 11/13/2004 3:41:49 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

you are right. I heard that morals were a very important part of the Bush victory.


711 posted on 11/13/2004 3:41:55 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: Clorinox
the simple fact is that abortion is unnatural and is both religiously and scientifically wrong. End.
712 posted on 11/13/2004 3:45:09 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: CouncilofTrent

Who on this thread suggested you be forced to pay for abortions?


713 posted on 11/13/2004 3:49:20 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: CouncilofTrent

"the simple fact is that abortion is unnatural and is both religiously and scientifically wrong. End."

And yet women are still having them.
Good luck getting them to stop!


714 posted on 11/13/2004 3:55:36 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Amelia

Fetal stem cells are removed from the dead fetus, the result of elective abortions. A common practice of harvesting these fetal stem cells is partial birth abortion.

Embryonic stem cells are stem cells harvested from embryos. Most of which come from in-vitro clinics. However there is now a move to clone these embryos to provide further "research material".

Adult stem cells - found in everything from bone marrow to the pancrease, liver and brain, are not only readily available - but proven to be effective treatments. There is no need to end a life using these stem cells.

What many of us are fighting against is the belief that the deliberate destruction of a human being so that another may benefit is morally wrong.

The slippery slope some of us talk about in this discussion has a lot to do with the thinking behind the statement often made: That the embryos were deprived of life long ago, so why not test them and see how it turns out. If they were dead, they would not be viable for anything. Many, if not all, of them are frozen in time, literally.

My thinking on this is very personal, and it goes back to this thought: The argument that "they're already dead, so it's okay to test them until they prove beneficial" is a thin one. We are already being told - not by doctors or scientists - but by politicans and celebrities that embryonic and fetal stem cells WILL HELP SICK PEOPLE GET BETTER. It is the same argument I've heard that "well the abortion already happened, so there is nothing we can do about it, so let's just use the tissues." It isn't as black and white as that.

There is no evidence of any benefit to using fetal or embryonic stem cells to treat any disease or disability or injury, and it saddens me to hear it used: when I am the direct target. Should I sacrifice another so I may have a little less discomfort?


715 posted on 11/13/2004 3:56:05 PM PST by cgk (The Left was beaten by Pres Bush twice & will never have another shot at him... who's dumb?)
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To: Clorinox
And yet women are still having them. Good luck getting them to stop!

You sound so... happy about that.

Chilling.

716 posted on 11/13/2004 4:01:12 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: CouncilofTrent
Sorry I left off the sarcasm tag. I did not know I had to expalin the theology surrounding predestination (one of the fundamental tenants prounded by Calavin) that forms the foundation of a major fraction of protestantism in America. By the way, Calvin, if you remember your history, was all to eager to round up folks in Geneva and string them up for their doctrinal impurity, so none of what we are witnessing here is exactly new. One of the reasons so many of the anti-abortion crowd are taking potshots at the unitarians is that early on they realized the foolish predicament that doctrines of predestination got themselves into and they dropped the whole thing. One of these days you guys are going to wake up and discover that Catholics are not very reliable allies in this either, for very similar doctrinal reasons.

Moi! I think it all nonsense just exactly because I do believe in free will.

717 posted on 11/13/2004 4:10:17 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Spiff

"At what point do you believe that abortion should be restricted?"

Banned for the third trimester.
Severe restrictions after 20-24 weeks, like serious health risk to mother, severe(meaning non-functional deformity like anencephaly)
Relatively unrestricted the first 16 weeks, other than parental consent, acknowledgment of options such as adoption, etc.


718 posted on 11/13/2004 4:12:25 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: AndyJackson

so im now stupid, ignorant, and not a true conservative according to you? I'm Catholic and don't care about the Calvinists!!!!!!!!!! Can't you see that from my screen name. If you remember YOUR history, it was a Catholic council.


719 posted on 11/13/2004 4:16:09 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: cpforlife.org

I have been an active member of the pro life movement since the first time I became aware of it a good many years ago. I have joined more than a few marches to DC on Jan 22 and been impressed with the huge numbers of dedicated pro lifers who, at their own expense, make the trip each year. I am too modest (!) to detail more bona fides but suffice to say I am still ardently pro life. However---I am really steamed at your headline. I do not respond well to warnings, stampedes, intimidation, or threats of any nature whether delivered from the LEFT or the RIGHT. The very thought that an American citizen would not vote in an election for any reason is repellent to me. It is terrible enough that some Americans sell, and others buy, votes. Voting is a privilege and should not be considered as a reward or punishment for goods delivered or not. If pro lifers insist on a litmus test for judges, and pro abortionists insist on the same for their guys, there will be the usual stand off. President Bush will do the best he can to give us Supreme Court Justices who will abide by our constitution, without a litmus test either left or right. The Republican party is not responsible for RvW. They have to deal with what exists. Protest and speak out for what you stand for, but please, do not SHOUT threats at the rest of us.


720 posted on 11/13/2004 4:18:54 PM PST by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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