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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Skywalk

"...abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al. "

IT IS WORSE!


41 posted on 11/13/2004 7:10:09 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: cubreporter

Thanks!

For the record Freeper Vicomte13 wrote it.


42 posted on 11/13/2004 7:10:50 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: narses

Oh Jesus, it is NOT.

At a minimum, when people are put into ovens or beaten to death, you SEE the results of your actions, you HEAR the screams of the innocent and the suffering. That is what makes it that much more evil.

It's fine to have your beliefs, but try to be friggin objective about it. Shooting kids in the face and raping women and slitting their throats takes a far greater evil than aborting an embryo.


43 posted on 11/13/2004 7:12:10 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: sitetest

Old Europe will be muslim in a generation.
Low birth rate.
1.2 children per family.
Not even replacement level.
Open borders and no melting pot.
Bye-Bye Freedom.


44 posted on 11/13/2004 7:12:19 AM PST by Aloysius88 (Fundie nutjob for Christ)
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To: narses

Don't forget that not all Republicans are against abortion.


45 posted on 11/13/2004 7:12:27 AM PST by IndyAndy
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To: Skywalk
"....far greater evil than aborting an embryo...."

Please watch the video available on-line called Hard Truth at Abortion Videos . It is perhaps the most powerful film ever produced on abortion. Actual footage of living, in-utero children and their aborted peers tell the hard truth about abortion in ways "just words" never will. Hard Truth packs such unprecedented power that viewers can scarcely watch without being profoundly affected. In total, the film is only nine minutes long, and except for the introduction, there is no narration.

Then go to http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/index.htm , and see the horrible reality of abortion via color photographs.

48 posted on 11/13/2004 7:16:08 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Skywalk

The apardheid government in South Africa banned abortion.


49 posted on 11/13/2004 7:16:38 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: badmrbunny
They are not threats per se. They are a statement of fact. We are not indentured servants of the Republican Party required to work the phones and talk to the people and put up the signs and send in the spare $20.

If we lose interest or lose heart the party will be greatly the weaker for it. All for the hurt feelings of one unreliable Senator. If the party cannot do what is relatively painless on the behalf of life then it is a good clue as to how hard the party will fight when push comes to fork in the brain.

50 posted on 11/13/2004 7:17:04 AM PST by Aloysius88 (Fundie nutjob for Christ)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Dear GovernmentShrinker,

Why the hyberbole, bordering on falsehood and libel?

We oppose the legalized slaughter of over one million innocents per year. You think we're nutjobs. Frankly, from my perspective, the term "nutjob" rightly applies to folks who see the legalized slaughter of over one million innocents per year, and do not think that this is the most important, the overriding social issue.

Folks talk about tax cuts and Social Security reform, and I'm all for that. But if we get all those wonderful things, but don't protect the unborn in law, I'm reminded of the old joke, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Our law permits paid assassins to unjustly kill over one million innocent human beings per year. There is no greater atrocity under which we currently suffer. There is no greater crime which we currently permit. There is no greater carnage, no greater destruction, no greater evil for us to fight in the present day.

Sorry if you are unable to see that clearly.


sitetest


51 posted on 11/13/2004 7:17:28 AM PST by sitetest (Why would we wish to trade our birthright for this thin gruel?)
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To: cpforlife.org

"If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in."

Smart prolifers learned a long time ago that threatening our potential allies is a poor strategy.


52 posted on 11/13/2004 7:18:02 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (I, the Jury)
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To: badmrbunny
your threats drown out every good point you make. i wish we had better spokesmen than you- you set back the cause of eliminating abortion with your facist approach.

Exactly. As a pro-lifer, I'm continually dismayed at how we are sunk by our own activists pushing too hard, too fast... it's especially discouraging when we are finally making advances against the free-for-all abortions we've seen for decades. But if you say anything along those lines you are attacked viciously here.

53 posted on 11/13/2004 7:18:16 AM PST by Tamzee (The Odyssey... "By their own follies they perished, the fools.")
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To: Skywalk

Dear Skywalk,

"At a minimum, when people are put into ovens or beaten to death, you SEE the results of your actions, you HEAR the screams of the innocent and the suffering. That is what makes it that much more evil."

Does that mean that if I'm able to cover up my atrocities, to prevent you from seeing the results of my actions, to prevent you from hearing the screams of my victims, that I'm off the hook?

So, if I spare you having to witness my atrocities, I mitigate my evil?

I'll keep that in mind.


sitetest


54 posted on 11/13/2004 7:19:36 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: cpforlife.org
AWESOME POST!

Please put me on your "Ping" list.

Proverbs 6:16-17: These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,

Could any be more innocent than those still in the womb?
56 posted on 11/13/2004 7:19:58 AM PST by bearsgirl90
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To: AndyJackson

Exactly.

Seems like some here would rather live in slavery, so long as abortion was banned.

The other thing that bothers me is that they seem all too willing to use the machinery of the State to achieve their objectives, rather than incremental and socially desired limits on abortion. But if they think they will ban abortion even up to the zygote level, they are fanatics who have no place making policy. The morning after pill is not a g-damn crime against humanity. Partial birth abortion IS, but there's no gradients with these guys.

And the threatening their alleged "allies?" Real smart and real classy.


57 posted on 11/13/2004 7:21:21 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: MindBender26; Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; ...
I would remind you that if we do not will the war against radical Islam, abortion will cease to be an issue for Christians, because all the Christians will be dead. Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!

Indeed.

Most of the one-issue voters represented by the pro-life advocates fail to recognize this.

Let's make it more plain.

IF RADICAL ISLAM IS ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THEIR PATH UNABATED, WE WILL ALL BE DEAD; "ABORTION ON DEMAND" WILL BE MOOT.

I doubt they'll listen to reason though -- they're working with blinders on.

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

58 posted on 11/13/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by mhking
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To: Skywalk
For many pro-lifers, we could have a safe, secure society, with a flat tax, reformed tax code, the end of over-regulation, thriving business, a resolution to Social Security and Medicare that not only works but maximizes freedom and choice, we could end the hold of public schools on education, etc etc but if we had abortion, even in the first trimester, the pro-lifers would rather go with the status quo plus an abortion ban. What a bunch of nutjobs.

So, you're willing to sacrifice 3,500 innocent children PER DAY in the U.S. (150,000 in the world) in the name of those things that you mention!? I wonder how those children feel about it. I wonder how God feels about it.

While I believe that the war on terrorism is the top priority right now, a little perspective is still useful. More innocent children are killed per day in the U.S. than innocent people in the U.S. killed by terrorists in the last 100 years.

The sheer magnitude of this holocaust is beyond imagination. You may not notice the 55 MILLION innocents slaughtered annually by abortion worldwide, but I assure you that your God does. If you are around 40 years told, that means that approximately 2 BILLION innocents have been murdered by abortion in your lifetime. And your priorities are what? A flat tax? Tort reform? One day you're going to have to explain yourself to your Creator. How do you think He's going to feel about it?

Maybe, one of those 2 billion children was going to be the guy that cured Cancer. But, instead, his mother paid a butcher to dismember him and suck him into a sink. Maybe among the 40 million innocents killed in the U.S. in the last 40 years was a future Republican President who was going to bring the country together and get all of the things that you listed done and more. But, instead, his mother paid a professional murderer to inject his protective amniotic sac with a strong salt water solution causing him to swallow and inhale it into his delicate body while over a period of hours the solution burned his skin away. He died a painful, agonizing death and his mother spontaneously aborted his tiny, burnt corpse 24 hours later.

So, who is the problem? The pro-lifers or those who don't fully comprehend the consequences of their apathy and inaction towards this ongoing holocaust? We are worse than the Germans who intentionally ignored what was occuring in the Nazi death camp just outside the city. We have heaped condemnation upon them, but refuse to accept our own for letting this far greater holocaust persist.

59 posted on 11/13/2004 7:21:32 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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