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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: A Jovial Cad

Yer so cute!

Such the sputterer...

LOL

I FR mailed you a napkin to whipe your chin with...


1,781 posted on 11/15/2004 2:29:10 AM PST by Syncro (I had no hat and I complained, until I saw a man who had no head)
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To: Syncro
*Well if I show you his posts that are hypocritical, you accuse me of using the "search" application*

Well, sheer nonsense...as has been repeatedly demonstrated. By all means, I invite any and all in this thread to use that very "search application" Mr. Syncor now pleads as HIS reason for running away from this debate to find ONE--just ONE--instance that would demonstrate "hypocrisy" on my part regarding ANYTHING I've posted in this thread. PLEASE, by all means, use that "search" function to troll through every post I've made all the way back to when I first signed up in 2002--you'll find, to be sure, nothing even remotely "hypocritical" to anything I've posted in this thread. PERIOD. But, by all means, folks, I urge you to go ahead...

*I really don't want to be set up anymore*

LOL..what that REALLY means is, to wit: *I don't really want to be caught lying about AJC, and continue to be called on it by him, anymore* Boo-bawling-hoo...LOL...what a deal.

*see ya in the morning*

Not likely. I WILL follow this thread--and others you participate in--for a time to make sure that no more lies are told about me "off the cuff," so to speak. If I run across them, they will not go unanswered--you can take that to the bank and deposit it just as surely as you would fresh greenbacks from a recently cashed paycheck. But you're a boring and not very imaginative liar, and are likely to lose interest in tangling with someone quite able, willing, and ready to challenge your falsehoods point by point over time. Like myself. So get a good nights sleep, Syncro. Tomorrow is, after all, another day...perhaps you'll get luckier as regards the next person you try to spew falsehoods about...(snicker)...
1,782 posted on 11/15/2004 2:48:18 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: Syncro
*Yer so cute!*

Thanks, but I don't "swing" that way...try the DUmmy website--there are quite a few "sweethearts" over there who'd probably be quite receptive to such an entreaty...

*I FR mailed you a napkin to whipe your chin with...*

I wouldn't know much about that--I tend to only use a napkin when I eat...YOU, on the other hand, seem to be well-acquainted with all the uses of a "napkin," no matter the circumstance...(snicker)....
1,783 posted on 11/15/2004 3:05:24 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: JeffAtlanta

"By the way, the nation will never adopt the catholic view on contraception - please don't try to push that."

Until 80 years ago or so, it was the dominant view of both America and all of Christendom. Ditto the "Catholic" view of divorce. Why do you INSIST that we will NEVER return to those Christian values upon which this country was founded?


1,784 posted on 11/15/2004 3:11:46 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: A Jovial Cad; cpforlife.org
I agree with much of what the original post was all about as regards holding our Party to account when it comes to such issues. I disagree with the childish presentation & challenge

Said presentation and challenge is the major reason the thread has turned into a flame war, pitting FReeper against FReeper, when in the end, most of us would like the same result.

1,785 posted on 11/15/2004 3:45:13 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Syncro; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; A Jovial Cad

Hi, Daughter,

I thought you might like to see where Synchro is mocking you rather than admit he's being childish and obnoxious....

Which of course is even more childish and obnoxious than the original behaviour he was accused of....and he doesn't even have the courtesy to ping you when he talks about you.

Regards,
Amelia


1,786 posted on 11/15/2004 4:14:32 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Artist; Howlin
If you can maintain your pro-abortion position in the face of this picture, you are beyond hope.

You recently posted:

Post 1593, by Howlin. "The vast majority of pro-life people that you and I know and work with are just like you are; the ones on these threads are a small minority. Unfortunately, they give the rest a bad name."

I notice that you say "you" instead of "we". Finally your true position is shown...

You RINOs are on the edge of political extinction...you just don't know it yet...

1,787 posted on 11/15/2004 5:01:13 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Howlin

I would say that people who advocate the killing of babies give HUMANS a "bad name"...


1,788 posted on 11/15/2004 5:05:42 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: A Jovial Cad

Dick Cheney used considerable harsher language than "Screw you" on the floor of the Senate to Pat Leahy. Is Dick Cheney not a Christian?

Harry S. Truman used "colorful" language all the time, was he not a Christian? Are there no career Christians in the Army or the Navy? Or coaching football at Notre Dame?

"Screw us and we will screw you" is exactly the right sentiment. If it is a sin to give people a sharp kick when they're heading onto the rocks, mea culpa. I don't read "Thou shalt not tell it like it is" anywhere in the Bible, but if it's there, mea culpa, mea culpa. I'll go confess my potty mouth.

Now let's face the impending disaster in the Senate, and avert it by sending Arlen Specter to a different post.


1,789 posted on 11/15/2004 5:08:20 AM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: Amelia; Syncro

*Said presentation and challenge is the major reason the thread has turned into a flame war, pitting FReeper against FReeper, when in the end, most of us would like the same result*

Well-stated, and exactly right.


1,790 posted on 11/15/2004 5:10:11 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: JeffAtlanta
Most people who call themselves Christian have no idea what "God's plan" is. Its subjective and unverifiable.

Sorry dude, it exists...perhaps one day you will read it...it's called the Bible, and I'm pretty sure its still in print...

1,791 posted on 11/15/2004 5:22:09 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Amelia
*I thought you might like to see where Synchro is mocking you rather than admit he's being childish and obnoxious...*

I noticed that, as well--it's seems to be his scummy "calling card"; *Synchro's* normal, and smarmy, way of doing business...as pathetic as that is...

*Which of course is even more childish and obnoxious than the original behavior he was accused of....and he doesn't even have the courtesy to ping you when he talks about you*

Again, you take the words right out of my mouth...it sums up the behavior of "Synchro" plain & simple--and that sort of thing tends to speak for itself, in post after post after ridiculous post. Any normal, decent, gentleman would be shamed to the quick to be confronted with such a scummy posting record...but "Synchro" will no doubt soldier on, unaffected by any of the common decencies that most of us govern our lives by--and that pretty much says it all as far as "Synchro" is concerned.
1,792 posted on 11/15/2004 5:31:32 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: JeffAtlanta
By citing scripture and bloody babies, these people hurt their cause much more than they help it. I resent that I then become guilty by association.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? I submit that your guilt does not come from your association with those who respect the sanctity of life but from elsewhere.

1,793 posted on 11/15/2004 5:33:43 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Photos like that do more harm than good. See how far the PETA crowd got with the same technique.

Huh? I posted pictures of live, beautiful babies. How can that do more harm than good? I did not post pictures of aborted babies - bloody and torn. Those photos were taken in the womb.

1,794 posted on 11/15/2004 5:37:18 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Lurking2Long
Sorry dude, it exists...perhaps one day you will read it...it's called the Bible, and I'm pretty sure its still in print...

I never said that God's plan didn't exist. Learn to read my posts rather than going off half cocked.
1,795 posted on 11/15/2004 6:10:16 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Spiff
Huh? I posted pictures of live, beautiful babies. How can that do more harm than good? I did not post pictures of aborted babies - bloody and torn. Those photos were taken in the womb.

You missed my follow up post where I clarified which photos I was talking about. Somewhere on the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread are photos of a bloody fetus. The caption said something like "Is your tax cut worth this?" I thought those were the photos that she was referring to. I clarified myself immediately before anyone posted.

The photos you are referring to are fine and actually do help the cause.
1,796 posted on 11/15/2004 6:13:22 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Spiff
The truth hurts, doesn't it? I submit that your guilt does not come from your association with those who respect the sanctity of life but from elsewhere.

I don't feel guilty about anything. I feel that my pro-life stance actually helps more people become pro-life. This is in contrast to the in-your-face rants and bible thumping that others do. This just turns people off as most that seek abortion aren't Christians anyway.

Your photos were fine - I was referring to the bloody fetus photo that someone else posted earlier. Good work.
1,797 posted on 11/15/2004 6:17:12 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: AlbionGirl
Freezing is a form of molestation. You can't escape the fact that the only reason the 8 day old zygote would not progress onward and upward into an 8 week old baby is because of direct intervention and molestation.

Should children who suffered molestation by freezing as zygotes have the right to sue their parents for same? Assume we can find no evidence of physical damage.

The parents were allowed to draw breath, their offspring must be allowed to continue along the natural path to drawing breath as well.

Not a natural path I posited, but rather a fertility clinic.

If you believe differently, that's your right. No point going round and round on this, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I still don't know if you would prosecute, for murder, the destroyers of one celled zygotes, so I don't know that we disagree on that one.

1,798 posted on 11/15/2004 6:22:36 AM PST by secretagent
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To: Lurking2Long
You RINOs are on the edge of political extinction...you just don't know it yet...

This is so far from political reality that its not even funny - its sad. Who are you going to replace Olympia Snow with? If you boot her out of the party, her state isn't going to elect a conservative - they'll just elect a socialist democrat. Its the same way with all of the other 'RINO' senators in blue states.

Boot out all of the 'RINOs' and the senate majority becomes a minority overnight. Also, start playing the bible thumping card and red states like colorado, arizona, Ohio, Virgina and Florida will turn blue for generations.
1,799 posted on 11/15/2004 6:24:23 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
Doom and gloom, doom and gloom...you are probably the same sort of RINO who said Bush needs to be more moderate and stop talking about God so much or he would not get re-elected...

I love the smell of demographic shifts the morning after an election!

1,800 posted on 11/15/2004 6:34:45 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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