Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
"We humans have a gestation period of 9 months."
Are you suggesting that this baby girl was not human?
Take a close look at the picture in post 73. Infants her age are born alive and survive every week. She was murdered.
But according to German law under the Nazis we would NOT be empowered to stop it with lethal force. It was all so legal and the Nazis tried to make the extermination as legal, clean and efficient as possible so as not to offend the sensitivities of the citizenry. Much like abortion in the U.S. today.
Here is some good reading...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1278814/posts
No offense, but single issue voters do not impress me. Threats do not impress me either. The republican party is bigger than one issue. Most of us agree with you on the issue of abortion, but staying home on election day because you are not being pandered to sounds an awful lot like a liberal's frame of mind. It takes time to change laws in this country. You don't start an effective movement by threatening to desert the only allies you have. Just ask the gay marriage supporters.
AMEN well said......
| Life begins at conception—NOT birth. Birth is one day in the life of a person who is already nine months old. |
Dear Skywalk,
I certainly support the criminalization of committing the crime of abortion. It is murder for hire. Abortionists are serial- and mass-murderers. Although I am reluctant to prescribe the death penalty in general, for these, it is the appropriate punishment. I wholly endorse laws that prescribe, in every case without exception, execution for those who regularly perform abortions.
But there is a difference between public application of law and private action in lieu of law. One is justice, the other is vigilantism. I generally oppose vigilantism. I do believe in trying to change unjust laws, to make them more just. We have a political system that permits this.
Germany under the Nazis did not have such a political system.
To suggest that we pro-lifers, to be consistent, must go out and become vigilantes is to elide over several issues. As long as the potential for peaceful change is available in our country, we may not justly take arms against the law.
There were once laws that, as interpreted, permitted white men to kill black "property," usually with complete impunity. Nonetheless, this horror did not provide license to seek private retribution against the killers, or against those who, in law, protected them.
As long as we have a political system which permits peaceful change, we may not legitimately act as vigilantes, as to do so would be to become revolutionaries. If we were, in large numbers, to resort to violence, it would mean two things: First, that we had rejected the legitimacy of the American state; second, that America would become engaged again in civil war.
Failing to accept the delegitimation of the American state and wishing to avoid civil war do not make pro-lifers inconsistent, only prudent, cautious, and rational. It is not our goal to replace one evil with another.
sitetest
"While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than abortion, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
Just as prohibition did not work for alcohol, prohibition will not work for abortion.
People will do what they feel is right for them, whether it is against the law or not."
Let's see if your logic holds good when we substitute the words "armed robbery" for abortion:
"While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than ARMED ROBBERY, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
Just as prohibition did not work for alcohol, prohibition will not work for ARMED ROBBERY.
People will do what they feel is right for them, whether it is against the law or not."
On the basis of your logic, then, your government should de-criminalise armed robbery because people will continue to do it whether it is against the law or not.
With this level of rationalisation, you may as well scrap all law - anarchy is the only system that holds good by your standards.
Me - "We humans have a gestation period of 9 months."
You - Are you suggesting that this baby girl was not human? rant rant rant.
All I did was state a biological fact in response to an apparently incorrect factual assertion on your part. Period.
This needs to be put on the desk of George Bush. Specter is his man, now let Bush take care of the loser.
"Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority ... to defend the lives of the innocent ... among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother's womb. And if the public magistrates ... do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven" (Pope Pius XI Casti Connubii No. 67, Dec. 31, 1930).
Converting America to Islam will effectively solve the abortion issue, and as a side effect, it will also take care of the pesky homosexual agenda issue.
There are many important issues in our day and age, all intricately woven together.
The moral fabric of America is far more important an issue than abortion, with the proper morality in place, abortion would not be an issue.
Malachi 3:2
But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
What would this ammendment say? How would it be enforced?
remember that the Constitution as it currently stands is a procedural document. It merely sets forth powers and processes for getting things done. It is not a criminal code and the last time we tried to make it such - prohibition, it blew up in everyone's face and we ended up with the wanted good being supplied by the mafia (a lesson I would suggest everyone here contemplate). It is one of the more embarrassing moments in our constitutional history.
This is the best argument I can think of for discarding the system.
Dear AndyJackson,
Tantumergo, by making reference to 24 weeks, was referring to a photograph of an aborted baby girl, aborted at 24 weeks, in post #73. Had you actually read his post, and referred to post #73, as he suggested, you would have realized this.
You weren't paying attention, and I suppose that you thus thought that Tantumergo was referring to the period of human gestation, giving rise to your irrelevant comment.
The balderdash isn't emanating from Tantumergo.
sitetest
Well said..
Pro-Life extremists fail to recognize the strides that have been made for life..
A man was just found guilty of 2 murders yesterday.
One of his wife, and one of his unborn son.
There is recognition of the life issue in the courts, and we see it every time an unborn child's life is taken in an act of violence, neglect, or other criminal behaviours.
Those criminals are now, in most states going to be charged with the death of the unborn infant.
That was not the case as little as 10 years ago..
The Pro-Life movement should be rejoicing at the amount of progress that has been made..
Given time, and more legal precedent, it will become accepted moral and legal doctrine.
Once the general public recognizes and supports that doctrine, attitudes will change, and the realization that abortion is a relevent adjunct to that legal precedent will also take place.
Public attitude toward abortion will change as well.
Since I responded to someone who wants to emphasize the war on terrorism, I think that was my point.
Public attitude is changing. Pro-life activists recognize that. Does the GOP? The time is NOW to stand up, not 10 years ago, not at some date in the future. NOW. The problem is that the pro-abortion lobby INSIDE the GOP is still trying to save the abortion kills from their just deserts. Ask Specter.
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