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Wind power not all pleasant breezes
The Globe and Mail ^ | 11/9/2004 | STEPHEN STRAUSS

Posted on 11/12/2004 10:10:21 AM PST by TChris

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See!? See!? Global warming is caused by wind turbines!
1 posted on 11/12/2004 10:10:22 AM PST by TChris
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"significant temperature change over Earth's land masses"

haven't these guys been preaching global warming long anough? I remember that the completion of the aswan dam was going to cause an ice age by 1980. now i guess there's just no escaping global warming.

2 posted on 11/12/2004 10:12:14 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: TChris

"Who Farted?"


3 posted on 11/12/2004 10:14:08 AM PST by Semper Paratus (Michael)
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“We shouldn't be surprised that extracting wind energy on a global scale is going to have a noticeable effect. ... There is really no such thing as a free lunch,”

Two words: NUCLEAR POWER.

Ok, perhaps not a "free" lunch. But far cheaper if the left quit trying to strangle it in a misguided attempt to damage capitalisim.

4 posted on 11/12/2004 10:14:14 AM PST by narby (WE are now the Mainstream - Enjoy)
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Wind Power is a hoax. Here in Germany taxpayers subsidise this green nightmare with billions of Euro so a couple tree-huggers can have their fancies.
Meantime techs such as nuclear power are switched off so in future China can build our plants which we need when the last green in power has woken up to a cold stove.


5 posted on 11/12/2004 10:17:14 AM PST by seppel
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But far cheaper if the left quit trying to strangle it in a misguided attempt to damage capitalisim.

Maybe we're framing it wrong... we should tell 'em we want to be like those sophisticates - the French.

6 posted on 11/12/2004 10:20:09 AM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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"and have turbines that spin at 400 kilometres an hour"

What? I thought turbines spun in revolutions per minute.

Maybe he means, "If that 30 story tall windmill falls, the turbine will hit the ground at 400 kilometres an hour."

7 posted on 11/12/2004 10:20:25 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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First, I wonder whether they've gotten around to understanding that the atmosphere is not two-dimensional. Second, how does this compare to trees?


8 posted on 11/12/2004 10:22:50 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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A group of Canadian and U.S. scientists reported Tuesday that computer simulations show that a large-scale use of wind farms to generate electrical power could create a significant temperature change over Earth's land masses.

I've long been predicting this objection. Professional objectors will find something to object to, even something as desireable as wind power. Also, you just can't extract that much energy from the environment without affecting it.

9 posted on 11/12/2004 10:23:10 AM PST by ctdonath2
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I think he means that the tips of the turbine blades can reach 400KM/hr when the turbine is spinning.


10 posted on 11/12/2004 10:25:45 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: narby

Speaking of nuclear power, does anyone have news regarding fusion research? It seems to have reached a dead-end.


11 posted on 11/12/2004 10:27:34 AM PST by rhetor
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Appears to be a BS Study. They are equating wind turbines with powered fans.

Try your own experiment. Set a large shop fan (fan off)in one doorway for incoming air with another doorway at the other end open for airflow. Allow the air current to turn the fan blades. Prop or hang a lit (lighted from yesterday) cigar or a smoke machine upwind of the fan. See if the air is spoiled when it exits the wind turned fan blades.

12 posted on 11/12/2004 10:28:48 AM PST by Deguello
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I can't believe how such unvetted "science" gets published.


13 posted on 11/12/2004 10:29:58 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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Ah! A solution to "global warming" -- absorb energy from the air with wind turbines and off-set global warming! :>)

On the other-hand, doesn't this defy some laws of physics?

14 posted on 11/12/2004 10:30:17 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Semper Paratus
""Who Farted?""

You forgot the rest of it:

Hoof-hearted.
Ice melted.

(works better if you say it out loud...)

15 posted on 11/12/2004 10:30:17 AM PST by redhead ("Gee, Ricky. I'm sorry your mom blew up...")
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To: TChris

bump


16 posted on 11/12/2004 10:31:49 AM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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Specifically, if wind generation were expanded to the point where it produced one-10th of today's energy, the models say cooling in the Arctic and a warming across the southern parts of North America should happen.

If cooling in the Arctic happens, that is a good thing. Enviros currently worry about warming at the Arctic, melting the ice and causing a desalinization of the oceans, which will stop the ocean currents. Cooling at the poles could be just the cure the wackos want. I say build more wind farms to not only limit carbon dioxide emissions, but also stop polar warming!

17 posted on 11/12/2004 10:35:18 AM PST by Galena Nevada
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Speaking of nuclear power, does anyone have news regarding fusion research? It seems to have reached a dead-end

It essentially has reached a dead end. There are only a few die-hards that are still working the problem.

Ultimately, there were too many technical problems and essentially no progress for the last 30 years. Specifically:

1. No one has figured out how to engineer a torus reactor vessel that could be reasonably reliable (principally because of neutron embrittlement).

2. The Lawson criterion (density times confinement time) at fusion temperatures has saturated. We are still just below the break even point and well below the ignition point. Because the curve has flattened out, heroic efforts are needed to achieve these limits.

3. The energy density is still atrocious. The ratio Beta, Beta = kinetic energy of the plasma / magnetic energy of the confinement field, is about 1/10 of 1%. The only way that this becomes acceptable is if superconducting magnets are used. It is still problematic though. Also, no one has been able to figure out how to get superconducting magnets at liquid nitrogen temperatures in a nuclear environment and at high fields. Indeed, superconductors become regular conductors at high B.

Short answer, doesn't look likely.

Now, a really, really good alternative would be the high temperature, gas-cooled reactors that are passively stable.

Couple this with a UREX+ process (being developed by the DOE), and you have full separation of the nuclear waste. All of the fissile nuclides (Pu, Np, U, etc) are recycled. The fission products are disposed of in borosilicate glass. There is essentially no waste, no safeguards concern, and you re-use the nuclear material.

18 posted on 11/12/2004 10:38:59 AM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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"Here in Germany taxpayers subsidise this green nightmare with billions of Euro ..."

We subsidize it here, also -- 1.9 cents per kwh.

"For example, Jerome Niessen, president of NedPower, which has received permission from the West Virginia Public Service Commission for a 200-turbine wind farm near here in Grant County, said he expected to generate 800 million kilowatt hours per year, for a tax savings of $16 million a year for 10 years, or $160 million — on a wind farm that will cost $300 million to build."
-- commondreams.org/headlines03/0605-10.htm

(Tax savings = Taxpayers cost)

19 posted on 11/12/2004 10:41:05 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TChris

This website seems to have some interesting answers to creating new sources of energy.

http://www.cheniere.org/


20 posted on 11/12/2004 10:45:45 AM PST by Chewbacca (Just because Social Security was set up as a Ponzi Scheme doesn't mean I have to support it!)
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