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They hate us, say fleeing French
ww.smh.com.au ^ | November 13, 2004 | Jon Henley in Paris

Posted on 11/12/2004 8:00:34 AM PST by Ginifer

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To: Billthedrill
The other lesson is that individuals capable of defending themselves and of banding together for mutual defense in such times have the best chance of surviving them. Yes, this means weapons. Wield them or die on them. This is not an uncivilized approach; it is, on the contrary, the very essence of civilization. What is uncivilized is to be in a position only to be a victim.

Bears repeating, and repeating, and repeating...until modern liberal idiots get it through their heads. The modern wonders of liberty and civilization were all brought about at the barrel of a gun. This is also what will maintain them against barbarians.

101 posted on 11/12/2004 10:22:08 AM PST by badbass (The wolf is always at the door, and the barbarian is always at the gate.)
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To: Ginifer
..."There is so much hatred in their faces. Why? We have many, many Ivorian friends. Why so much anti-French hatred?"

I don't know. I guess there is something about the French that p****s people off! (me included)

102 posted on 11/12/2004 10:30:17 AM PST by albee (Those who desire peace should prepare for war.)
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To: george wythe

Thank you for the kind words.


103 posted on 11/12/2004 10:31:00 AM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: TopQuark
As if that explains rape and luting.

Take a country with a democratically elected government. Then have a cynical foreign power come in and tell those people they have to share their government with a bunch of islamic rebels. People get pissed and do violent things.

You sound here almost like the mainstream media: hatred is caused by actions.

How would Americans react if a foreign power came in and told us how to run our government? Would we have a lot of love for citizens of that foreign country?

The French and the British in Africa are a convenient minority on which to vent frustrations

The French use military force to strongarm African governments and advance their own economic interests in those countries. Whatever problems those countries might have independent of the French, France's championing of an Islamic rebel group over the freely elected government of The Ivory Coast does not help matters.

And please forget that Leftist garbage about colonies: two generations have grown up since then, and these whites and blacks played with each other as children.

To a large extent, the French still run a lot of these countries as colonies.

The people rioting in The Ivory Coast are from the Christian segment of the population. Ivory Coast was a stable place until the French tried to force the government to accept Islamic rebels into the government. Though I feel bad for the innocent French citizens involved in this, I'm behind the people of The Ivory Coast.

104 posted on 11/12/2004 10:33:16 AM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: Ginifer

On a side note, this is why its important to get democracy functioning in IRAQ ASAP. Part of the reason why France is in this mess is because they wore the occupation hat a little to long without making positive changes for Democracy. They stayed too long and didn't stop the uprisings, causing resentment on all sides. They tried keeping Laurent Gbagbo in power despite several coup attempts - the whole place has fallen to peices ever since.


105 posted on 11/12/2004 10:51:37 AM PST by stacytec
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To: Modernman

It has to do with the fact that the French have forced the democratically elected government of Ivory Coast to accept a so-called unity government with a Muslim rebel group that has ties to international terrorism.

But, hey, go ahead and try to paint this as some sort of racial thing.




This may be true, but I still think that this is just being used as an excuse to rape, loot and pillage and drive the whites out as in other parts of Africa.


106 posted on 11/12/2004 2:04:36 PM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Modernman
How would Americans react if a foreign power came in and told us how to run our government? Would we have a lot of love for citizens of that foreign country?

I guess you really miss the point. In the above described case, we would fight and kill their leaders; we would (I hope) launch an uprising; we would use every gun that is, thank G-d, in our possession.

But we would not rape their women or burn people alive. That has been, at least so far, the difference between Americans and the rest of the world. It's called civility. De Tocqueville noted that "America is great because of the basic goodness of its people." That is because goodness was present at an uncommonly high level.

He also added, "And it [America] will cease to be great if its people cease to be good." Which is why I was making the point. Only Marxists and Arab terrorists assume that rape, beheading, etc. is a natural and understandable response to someone' actions. In other words, ends justify the means. We have always abhorred that position. And, as a conservative, you should too: not all means are a justified response to someone's actions, however grievous.

107 posted on 11/12/2004 6:46:26 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Ginifer
I took off sitting on a pile of ammunition, like in a film.

Very French.

108 posted on 11/12/2004 6:50:36 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Publius6961
"Welcome to our world, Froggie."


Welcome to the party, pal ...

109 posted on 11/13/2004 1:20:53 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: Ginifer
They hate us, say fleeing French


110 posted on 11/13/2004 1:43:02 PM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Ginifer

I'm not positive here, but isn't the majority of the Ivory Coast PO'ed at the French for helping "The Religon of Peace" minority there which has conducted itself in its normal matter toward Christians?


111 posted on 11/13/2004 1:47:13 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("No time for losers, cause we are the champions...of the world!!!")
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To: Modernman
The people rioting in The Ivory Coast are from the Christian segment of the population.
Ivory Coast was a stable place until the French tried to force the government to
accept Islamic rebels into the government.


Thanks for posting.
I've been trying to get a clear read on The Ivory Coast problems over the last year.
The news "reports" are always so incomplete and crytpic (and buried deep
in The Los Angeles Times), I guessed it must be a case of The French siding with
Islamics.

So I guess The French passed a "global test" and got UN approval before firing
on the civilians...
(end sarcasm)
112 posted on 11/13/2004 1:59:50 PM PST by VOA
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To: Ginifer

Bastille Day, in the Ivory Coast.


113 posted on 11/13/2004 2:03:10 PM PST by carlyaxt (carlyaxt)
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To: TopQuark

Is there anything worse than a French lute player?


114 posted on 11/13/2004 2:03:29 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: saveliberty

Gee, I can't figure it out.... Up until September 2002, the Ivory Coast government had been peaceful. Then some violent fascists started kidnapping children at schools and the French sent troops and decided to award the Ministries of Defense and Interior to the violent fascists without the consent of the government or the people. Then thousands of people flooded the streets begging the US to save them. But no one listened.

I just can't figure out why the French are unpopular there


This is a quality example of the "nuanced" and "sophisticated" "conflict resolution" diplomacy of the worldly wise Froggies.

See how well it works? Don't you just wish GW had tried this with Saddam?


115 posted on 11/13/2004 2:10:27 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I am just so impressed that the only voters that Kedwards got in any major way were the high school dropouts (isn't that a good portion of Hollywood) and people with graduate degrees (also people who don't have to fix the garbage they mess up).

Woodrow Wilson was a PhD in political science and the pinhead put in a proportional representation system in a country that had no democratic tradition and is held accountable only by historian AJP Taylor has having fostered the National Social Democratic Workers Party in Germany. (PS he also couldn't do anything about the French confiscating German funds and he didn't know what territories were ethnically German). So much for pinheads who get paid to make stuff up (alt Kerry voter with a graduate degree).


116 posted on 11/13/2004 4:00:42 PM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: saveliberty

"only voters that Kedwards got in any major way were the high school dropouts (isn't that a good portion of Hollywood) and people with graduate degrees ..."

"People with graduate degrees" is a shorthand term for university professors. Multitudes of us out in the real world "with graduate degrees" and dealing with it first hand have nothing but contempt for the tenured hothouse mutant orchids still blooming with the tawdry foliage of the 60's.


117 posted on 11/13/2004 5:23:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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