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Doctors Group Opposes Mandatory Mental Health Tests for Kids
NewsMax ^ | 11/11/04 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 11/11/2004 5:37:46 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: A. Pole

"The return of Soviet psychiatry?"

Why not, they are wild for Uncle Joe and all of his dirty schemes.


61 posted on 11/14/2004 9:47:44 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: Askel5

pinging for Prozac


62 posted on 11/14/2004 9:51:28 AM PST by aposiopetic
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To: jocon307
Why not, they are wild for Uncle Joe and all of his dirty schemes.

This is NOT a Democrat-led idea. It came directly out of the White House under President Bush; he *called for* the commission to set up the "New Freedom" initiative. This was NOT created by liberals. If it (God forbid) comes up for a vote before Congress, *Republicans* will vote for it.

63 posted on 11/14/2004 10:40:09 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: wagglebee
"They actually ask children if there are guns in the house."

Smart parents should teach their kids to respond that it's none of their business.

64 posted on 11/14/2004 10:52:33 AM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: softengine

I am a caseworker, and I don't think I work with a single school-aged child that isn't medicated, often on multiple psychotropic medications. Many that are not school-aged are being medicated as well, and it is not uncommon for 2 and 3 year olds to be in "therapy."


65 posted on 11/14/2004 10:55:38 AM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"document this mischaracterization."

See post #5.

66 posted on 11/14/2004 10:58:05 AM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: valkyrieanne
This is NOT a Democrat-led idea. It came directly out of the White House under President Bush; he *called for* the commission to set up the "New Freedom" initiative. This was NOT created by liberals. If it (God forbid) comes up for a vote before Congress, *Republicans* will vote for it.

To be pro-business means protecting US market from the cheap foreign/generic drugs, guaranteeing high/fixed prices and making drugs mandatory.

67 posted on 11/14/2004 11:06:33 AM PST by A. Pole ("Moderate" Muslims should more accurately be called "moderately" Muslim.)
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To: DaveTesla
"She went on a tirade about evangelical insane Christan's in the white house on their bent knees and how Bush (Mr) was going to steal everyones social security."

What??? What state are you in? You should report her to her superiors.

68 posted on 11/14/2004 11:06:47 AM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: sweetliberty
Smart parents should teach their kids to respond that it's none of their business.

When this first started we did counsel our son. He was not to discuss the degree of home armment we had. (In fact when he was very young, we kept this knowledge from him) so he would not give the information away in a trusting relationship with child care or elementary school. Sad that it comes to this.

The question of mental health screening is in the same league with the second ammendment. I have no doubt that there are people who are mentally ill. I also believe some could be helped with treatment, but the vast majority of the truely mentally ill do not want to know about it and would shun treatment because you can't accept treatment without a certain acceptance of the illness. I will oppose this screening in any venue except voluntary screening in a private office.

69 posted on 11/14/2004 11:15:03 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: wagglebee; Congressman Billybob

Have you seen this?


70 posted on 11/14/2004 11:24:19 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: wagglebee

This is what shows up on Thomas when I search for "mental health screening children". IMO, it's not mandatory, but it is unsettling.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c108qRHQNm::


71 posted on 11/14/2004 11:35:21 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: valkyrieanne
This is NOT a Democrat-led idea. It came directly out of the White House under President Bush; he *called for* the commission to set up the "New Freedom" initiative. This was NOT created by liberals. If it (God forbid) comes up for a vote before Congress, *Republicans* will vote for it.

The people behind this are playing both sides of the aisle.

"TMAP was funded through a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation grant — and several drug companies that stood to gain billions of dollars.The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation is the philanthropic (read: p.r.) arm of the Johnson & Johnson medical-supply/household-products empire anda major player in promoting controversial prevention curricula in schools."

"Here, the plot begins to thicken.TMAP promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs.For that reason, the commission’s nationwide version of the proposal sent up red flags in the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General.OIG employee Allen Jones essentially blew the whistle when he revealed that key officials had receivedmoney and perks from drug companies with a stake TMAP. Some members of the New Freedom Commission had served on advisory boards for me pharmaceutical companies whose products were being recommended. Other members had indirect ties to TMAP.Jones was sacked in May for speaking to the British Medical Journal and the New York Times."

Rest of the article here.

The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation was a major participant in Hillary's Health Care Task Force, and footed the bill for the airtime to broadcast her Health Care Town Hall Meetings uninterrupted

They also wrote the DARE program, and are part of the Ad Council, and helped produce the "Drugs = Terrorism" Superbowl ads.

72 posted on 11/14/2004 11:40:50 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: IStillBelieve
If parents determine that their children have some sort of mental condition, by all means they should be tested. However, this should be the decision of the parents.

I see no problem with testing school children for contagious childhood illnesses. Mental health problems ARE NOT contagious; however, bad behavior often is and I suspect this behavior is what the left (and particularly the NEA) is trying to "treat." If you ever listen to Neal Boortz, he speaks about this at least once a month (and he probably will talk about it a lot more now that the election is over).

73 posted on 11/14/2004 11:50:37 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only think Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: A. Pole
Follow the money. Corporate interests (of drug companies in this case) require the forced medication at the US prices. The "invisible" hand of the free market at work!

Wrong, as usual. There is currently no "free market" in health care. The US Government, aided and abetted by legions of rapacious trial lawyers, has seen to that. Artifical demand (largely created by Medicaid and defensive medical practices) coupled with limited supply (caused by sue-happy lawyers and headline-hungry state Attorneys General) have created a Soviet-style market with Swiss-style prices. It sucks - but please do not have the gall to blame it on pharmaceutical companies and doctors - they are the victims of this rotten political scheme. Drug companies try to make money in such an environment by shifting production toward low-cost manufacturing of high-demand drugs - because they cannot otherwise survive in a risk-ridden environment. Doctors, with less cost control in their hands, just give up and leave the practice - as they are currently doing in droves.

74 posted on 11/14/2004 12:21:26 PM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: wagglebee

BTTT


75 posted on 11/14/2004 12:22:49 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: wagglebee
Psychologists rarely find anybody willing to pay for what they do, so they have chosen to lobby the government for bills forcing people to use their services.

Like the one that forced medical insurance carriers to provide "mental health" insurance.

Like the regulations that require nuclear power plant workers to undergo psychological testing.

And another thing. Did you notice that psychologists never find anything good about a person? They always find something wrong.

The definitive study on this "profession" was done by Rosenhan, in 1973, and proved that psychiatrists can't even tell the sane from the insane using their own definitions.

76 posted on 11/14/2004 12:31:36 PM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: wagglebee
They will never admit it, but I think the goal of the left is to see to it that EVERY child in America is diagnosed as needing Ritalin (or some similar mind-altering drug). Creating a nation of zombies will enable to promote their agenda with far greater ease.

Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was very prescient. The population was kept doped up on something called Soma.

77 posted on 11/14/2004 12:41:50 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: snopercod
The main problem with the psychiatric community, is that they are unaware of what a mentally healthy person is. They see two types of people:
Type 1 are those who actually do have mental problems, the psychiatric community is familiar with these people and have standard treatments.
Type 2 are those who do not have any mental problem, the psychiatric community is perplexed by these people so they investigate and this investigation becomes a treatment that will often take a perfectly healthy person and screw them up. Healthy adults, as a rule, feel no inclination to seek mental health professionals, so they are rare. However, many normal children are brought in for treatment. Normal children misbehave, disobey and rebel against authority (parents, teachers, etc.); however, the psychiatric community has convinced themselves that this is a "disorder" and they treat it with mind-altering chemicals which ultimately do make the children abnormal.

In short, mental health professionals lack the diagnostic capabilities of a dentist, for instance. A dentist can look at a healthy set of teeth and see the clear difference between these teeth and unhealthy ones. Psychiatry has a handbook that clearly defines mental disorders (DSM IV); however, they lack an such definition of a healthy and normal mental state.

78 posted on 11/14/2004 12:46:35 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only think Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: sweetliberty
I am a caseworker, and I don't think I work with a single school-aged child that isn't medicated, often on multiple psychotropic medications. Many that are not school-aged are being medicated as well, and it is not uncommon for 2 and 3 year olds to be in "therapy."

There is no doubt that more kids than ever are genuinely troubled, but that's because of changes in the family: widespread divorce, illegitimacy, working mothers, daycare, home alone, parental indifference, parental permissiveness and whatever else.

On top of that, what would have been considered normal, albeit annoying, behavior in a child as recently as the 1970s is now a "condition" that must be "treated."

79 posted on 11/14/2004 12:55:08 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Siamese Princess

I certainly wasn't suggesting that I am in agreement with medicating these kids. Sometimes I wonder if the treatment isn't often worse than the "problem" it is intended to manage. Children are still developing and there have been no studies of consequence, to my knowledge, that justify pumping them full of mind and mood altering drugs. Drugs that inhibit or stimulate the production of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, could just as likely be inhibiting other biochemical processes necessary to healthy development or stimulating some that are not so healthy. Often, the biochemical mechanism by which some of these drugs have therapeutic effectiveness is not known, let alone the detrimental reactions that may taking place. In adults, some of the benefits may be worth the risk, but in children, it is a gamble that could do irreversible damage. In my opnion, it is professionally irresponsible, at the very least.


80 posted on 11/14/2004 1:08:35 PM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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