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To: Tailgunner Joe

Amen. On that we agree. So why post an entire screed the tries to point out how much everyone owns everyone else and how all morality flows directly from your particular brand of priesthood?


12 posted on 11/11/2004 10:23:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse

You assume that if no one else owns you, then you must own yourself. Not so. No one owns you. You are not property and you cannot do whatever you want with yourself.


14 posted on 11/11/2004 10:28:33 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Dead Corpse
So why post an entire screed the tries to point out how much everyone owns everyone else and how all morality flows directly from your particular brand of priesthood?

The Founders were not stupid -- they understood quite well what they were doing when they attributed our "unalienable rights" to the action of a Creator.

Here's your assignment: try to logically derive the idea of "unalienable" principles without reference to a Creator.

You can't do it without resorting to self-defeating utilitarian (or otherwise relativist) arguments that render moot the whole idea of "unalienable rights."

The next step is to ask whether the logically necessary Creator is equivalent to a Christian God (which is what I think TG's point boils down to). On that score, we can only observe that the "unalienable rights" have historically been enumerated by Christian culture, and few if any others.

Certainly the tenets of Christianity are fully consistent with the unalienable rights we take for granted in the US, even if we do not consistently follow those tenets.

20 posted on 11/11/2004 10:40:32 AM PST by r9etb
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