ZOTLASH AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH

[alya]

I have a question: I don't think many of you would actually condone actions against Muslim Americans would you? Were you aware of the fact that one Muslim man in Britain is paralyzed from the neck down? Are you aware that one Muslim girl was hit over the head with a baseball bat? Or are these things that you secretly cheer, because they are not like you?

http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/adl_responds.asp

NOw, I know what you're going to say, I'm a pick one(leftist/left leaning liberal/communist/democrat/tree hugger/) in fact, you could probably come up with over a dozen labels, couldn't you? So, can you answer the question, do you think the attacks on Muslims are justified? Because as we all know, they are all the same, right?

[hellinahandcart]

Because as we all know, they are all the same, right?

You sure are all starting to sound the same. An endless, grating whine of false victimhood.

You want to really BE victims? Just keep up the deceit and the violence.

[MEG33]

http://attacked911.tripod.com/

[Christian Conservative]

We do not advocate violence against any INNOCENT people. That being said. How do you react to the MILLIONS of Christians brutally killed by Muslims in the Sudan? No comment. I didn't think so. You are just as prejudiced and bigoted as you claim we are.

[SirLurkedalot]

Cite all the anti-Muslim violence in the U.S, post 9/11. Ask your Iman why killing Jews and Christians is justified under Islam.

[RaceBannon]

Please pause a moment and reflect back, by taking the following multiple choice test:

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year old, American passenger, wheel-chair, bound was thrown overboard into the ocean to drown by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean and some wacky friends
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



11. In 2002 the United States began a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Dick C. and Dubya
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



Nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling!

[Thrusher]

I truly feel sorry for and pray for any innocent persons caught up in this war, whether it be decent citizens in Iraq or decent Muslims elsewhere in the world who are targeted by acts of hate and acts of vengeance. That being said, I still fully support the war, and believe that Muslim fanatics and extremists who terrorize and murder innocent people are a serious threat to our freedom and our way of life, both in our country and abroad. They should be hunted down and dealt with, killed if necessary, just like Christian or Jewish or Palestinian or Buddhist or Taoist or Hindu or communist or atheist extremists who terrorize and murder should be hunted down and dealt with. That includes murderous KKK members and terrorist ELF/ALF members, as well.

[SirLurkedalot]

LMAO! "hiya, sport"

[solsrchr2]

Do I scrutinize Arabs a little more you bet. Do I wonder if they are scrutinizing me? You bet. Do I think there is a possibility they might start waving a gun around or threating people. Yes. Just like if I'm walking in a part of town with a reputation for violent crime. If I go to a rough part of town I go there knowingly. We all know Terrorists would want to go to the safe parts of town because they will create more fear there. So really I'd be stupid not to be cautious of any Muslim.

[reagandemo]

[Constitution Day]

ROFL

[Mr. Jazzy]

Well, if I had gone and "smashed a few heads in", it would have been entirely appropriate to start with your noggin.

It would have made a wonderful, deep, hollow tone, seeing that you head is so obviously and utterly EMPTY.

[RaceBannon]

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."

9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "

[oblomov]

I'm a pick one(leftist/left leaning liberal/communist/democrat/tree hugger/)

Why just pick one?

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Feeling sad for the death of afatRat in Paris are we?

[APFel]

"WOW! YOU'RE ALL SO QUICK TO LABEL ME WITH YOU'RE LIES, AND NO, I'M NOT A MUSLIM, I'M STILL ATHIEST AND WHITE. BUT, UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T SEE THE WORLD IN A BLACK/WHITE PARADIGM, BUT I SUPPOSE YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD, RIGHT?"

I was told your capslock key is broken. That information appears to be correct.

Bu you do have the idiotic talking points down... "I don't see the world in a black/white paradigm". But you threw in the word "paradigm". That is sooooo 1999.

Regardless, I love it when people claim that we see the world in black and white; it is code for "I am smarter than you". As a lit major (YES, we have liberal arts students here on FR) all I did was discuss literature in shades of gray. Nuance is not lost on us, and we don't see the world in complete polar opposites.

However, when it comes to values, there is "right" and "wrong". There is "good" and "evil". Clubbing a Muslim girl with a baseball bat is "wrong". Who here cheered for it? The FR has an extensive archive of past news stories and reactions. You could have saved yourself the embarrassment that is this post and done some research on your own. Use the "search" hyperlink and thee shall find.

But as for the "black/white paradigm" that you have trumpeted, it is clear that you see us in "black", do you not? Your opinion is pretty clear, your judgment has been passed, and we are a monolith of intolerance and bigotry. Where is the shades of gray in YOUR opinion, my friend?

If you were half the person you THINK you are, you wouldn't come on to the FR looking for a fight.

You lose, trollop.

APf

[Old_Mil]

You want to know what I really think?

Ok. I am truly sad when an innocent individual is attacked for any reason. I certainly would not engage in such an act.

However, given the historical track record of the Muslim religion, the teachings of the Qu'ran, and the views of the Imams...I wonder how "innocent" individual Muslims are. Your religion isn't like your skin color or gender. It is something you are free to assent to, or change. A Muslim who is truly of a good heart, compassionate, kind, etc needs only to reject Islam and convert to another faith.

The billions of Muslims around the world are making a statement by their silence and thus are at least partially culpable for the ongoing destruction caused by their religion's teachings.

And don't kid yourself - antisemitism is deeply rooted even in the psyche of millions of average Muslims who are the guests of nations around the world.

[Dallas59]

In answer to your ignorant post....Yes..

[Politicalmom]

Talking to yourself, and forgetting whether or not you performed violent acts are signs of insanity, you know.

[Bommer]

So, can you answer the question, do you think the attacks on Muslims are justified? Because as we all know, they are all the same, right?

Right! Islam is unconditional on its opinions of any other religion other than its own. There are no innocents. They worship a God that endorces your death. As terrible as a little girl being hurt of a man being paralized as it may be, their brethern currenly are killing their own people in Iraq, and not one REPEAT NOT ONE Muslim is denouncing it! Honestly as cold as it may sound, I don't care. I know that they believe that all non mulims are not worthy of life, and its time you wake up to that fact! We are the tolerant society. They are not.