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To: Chena
From what I've read, many Muslims would disagree with you. In spite of the hours and hours I've spent studying this issue, I am certainly no expert on the subject. At some point I find it necessary to go back to my roots. My Christian and American roots.

I'm sure that they would disagree. Can you imagine what it would be like to try to defend following the teachings and admonishments of the 'prophet' Mo?

Just as some distort the teachings of our Bible, or take them out of context, or even view them in "literal" terms, there are those who do the same with the Quran. I had a friend in college years ago who was a Muslim. Lovely girl from a good and kind family. They respected my faith, as I did theirs...which is the American way.

Just as an exercise, every time you use the word Muslim, replace it with the word Satanist. Every time you use the term Koran, replace it with the term Satanic Bible, then tell me how you feel defending the 'moderates'. Also, if you had attended that college in the middle east, most likely that lovely girl would have had her genitals mutilated by that same good and kind family. (Yes, even the 'moderates' do this over there.)

I sometimes think it would be good medicine for some of the folks here on FR if they would get to know a Muslim family. It's so easy to spew hate and venom, and engulf yourself in fear, when you don't have personal contact with a group of people. Rather than surrounding yourself with people who feel exactly the same as you do, wisely or not, nothing is more educational than a real life confrontation with what you think you believe.

The muslims rent our convention center once a year over here. (Pasadena, Texas) It is a large facility. Before their activities begin they are required to 'clean' the building from the 'filth' of the non-muslims. (That would be you and me.) A couple of years ago, one of our cleaning ladies (non-muslim) accidentally walked into the building after it had been 'cleaned'. The 'moderate' American muslims threw a wall-eyed hissy fit. The building had been contaminated by the 'filth' of this Christian woman. They had to 'clean' the whole building all over again. (Whaaaaaa) Tolerant bunch, huh?

I remember watching a show a few years ago about White Supremists. They interviewed a few of them and asked them about their beliefs. Then, as an experiment they asked one of these young men (White Supremists) if he would be willing to live in a black family's home for a week. He agreed to this but denied that it would influence his beliefs at all. He hated blacks, all blacks.

Well, it was an amazing thing to witness! After a week of living in their home, and becoming a part of their every-day life, this young man was transformed. He saw that everything he had believed about "them" was wrong. Ah, the handiwork of God is everywhere. :)

Sorry dear, but here you are comparing apples to oranges.

289 posted on 11/12/2004 11:08:19 AM PST by houeto
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To: houeto

"Just as an exercise, every time you use the word Muslim, replace it with the word Satanist. Every time you use the term Koran, replace it with the term Satanic Bible, then tell me how you feel defending the 'moderates'. Also, if you had attended that college in the middle east, most likely that lovely girl would have had her genitals mutilated by that same good and kind family. (Yes, even the 'moderates' do this over there.)"

My goodness, when you put it that way, it could make someone who bases their opinions on extreme comparisons inclined to believe that all Muslims are evil, and no better than Satanists. I'm sure there are many who have taken your advice. Could you provide me of an instance of genital mutilation of a child in this country performed by a Muslim? In order for you to state that, I'm assuming you would have had to have learned about it in some news report, etc. And if so, I wonder why whoever did such a thing wouldn't have been arrested? We do have laws about harming our children, and all citizens for that matter. I would think if a citizen can be arrested for slapping their child, then they would certainly be arrested for mutilating their child.

"The muslims rent our convention center once a year over here. (Pasadena, Texas) It is a large facility. Before their activities begin they are required to 'clean' the building from the 'filth' of the non-muslims. (That would be you and me.) A couple of years ago, one of our cleaning ladies (non-muslim) accidentally walked into the building after it had been 'cleaned'. The 'moderate' American muslims threw a wall-eyed hissy fit. The building had been contaminated by the 'filth' of this Christian woman. They had to 'clean' the whole building all over again. (Whaaaaaa) Tolerant bunch, huh?"

And they clean this entire, large facility for free? Wow, what a deal! Wish I could find some Muslims who would like to rent my house once a month. LOL So they really did clean it yet again after just one Christian woman breached their clean zone? Sheesh, if that is true, that's anal, but probably not "evil". My mom taught me that a little soap and water never hurt anyone. LOL

"Sorry dear, but here you are comparing apples to oranges."

As for the apples and oranges, it appears that you did not understand the point I was attempting to make. I was not attempting to compare White Supremists to people who are racist against all Muslims. My point is that sometimes a person can have strong opinions on any given subject, feeling certain that they are absolutely right in their thinking, and yet, be wrong. Perhaps their walk in life never led them to a greater understanding, or an open mind due to exterior forces in their life. This young, White Supremist, who learned an extremely valuable life lesson that week, was only able to learn because he was willing to face his hatred and fears, face to face, by walking in the footsteps of the very group of people he had vowed to hate forever.

Thank you for your posts. I know this can be an emotional subject for all of us. :)



292 posted on 11/12/2004 2:31:21 PM PST by Chena (military mom)
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