[jim from cleveland]

And in a basic sense, it is irrelevant to me whether someone is born a certain way or not
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The point is your feelings on the topic are irrelevant. It is the effects on society that are the only relevant things that should be considered. We do not have laws because of feelings we have laws because they are set up to avoid damage to society. These societal laws and norms is what keeps us in a civilized society.

THE BENEFIT OF SOCIETY IS THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERRED IN THIS MATTER!

[Skywalk]

Society is composed of individuals living in clusters of more or less densely populated geographical and socio-political arrangements.

There is no "society" apart from large groups of individual human beings. Society is itself an abstraction, though it is a convenient shorthand to describe aggregate trends in behavior or cultural mores.

[Greenback_dollar]

What benefit to society does divorce provide? None. It provides damaged children and damaged people.

We need to get rid of no contest divorce and make getting a divorce as close to impossible as we can. Divorce is ruining this country and we can trace the divorce revolution to the wanton sex drugged out hippies in the 60's.