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NO MODERATE MUSLIMS. THEO VAN GOGH WAS SLAIN. MODERATES PUT ON A FORCED SHOW OF COOPERATION
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Posted on 11/09/2004 3:26:42 PM PST by bikepacker67

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To: sweneop
our enemy hides in a populace. this muslim populace is kept in check by strict religious laws, propaganda, and the threat or actual use of violence. the populace is both their shield and the farm for for more jihadi meat. this is the quandry we are in, because the bad is among the rest of them and we cant tell. this is why its a hard decision.

How would you deal with the problem?

21 posted on 11/09/2004 5:13:15 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

hey, im not saying i have a magic solution and im not arguing the suggested solutions, im simply saying the claim that there are no moderate muslims is spurious and a way of alleviating the moral questions involved with promoting expulsion or persecutrion of a religious group.

do as you will and as you must, but do it with open eyes. dont fool yourself.


22 posted on 11/09/2004 5:25:09 PM PST by sweneop
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To: sweneop
For starters, they could stop all immigration from muslim countries and deport all muslim non citizens.

Lining the main street in Amsterdam with the heads of Islamists on pikes would also be a nice touch.

23 posted on 11/09/2004 5:34:40 PM PST by Ken H
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To: angkor

I hope their actions are a template for the other Euro homelands.


24 posted on 11/09/2004 8:25:17 PM PST by eagle11 (Conservatives are Red, Liberals are Blue.....let's come together so we can....?)
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To: samson1097

Thanks very much for the direct link. I was having a hard time with the Quick Time player!


25 posted on 11/09/2004 10:09:39 PM PST by lainde
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To: Righter-than-Rush

Except in the USA, where such common sense is against the laws of political correctness.


Time to change those laws.


26 posted on 11/09/2004 10:14:40 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: fso301

Doesn't appear that it is available on DVD in the US.

Do a search for "Gogh submission torrent" on Google and you will find some options to download it through bittorrent. (Do this at your own risk.)


27 posted on 11/09/2004 10:16:07 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: angkor

Got any pictures?


28 posted on 11/09/2004 10:25:06 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: sweneop

"our enemy hides in a populace. this muslim populace is kept in check by strict religious laws, propaganda, and the threat or actual use of violence. the populace is both their shield and the farm for for more jihadi meat."

Dante reserved the lowest level of hell for the coward who remained silent in the face of a moral crisis. These hypothetical "moderate moslems" you imagine are no different morally than the Germans who quietly went about their business while the trains with the nailed shut cattle cars rattled by on their way to the East, and the villagers who ignored the oily smoke that rose from the crematoriums across the way.

And what they got from the Army Air Corps, is what they deserved.

Your attempt to make "victims" out of moslems who knowingly collude with barbarity is nauseating.


29 posted on 11/09/2004 10:28:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (I, the Jury)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

I don't think it's right to kill innocent Muslims


'Murder is normal'

A Muslim from Amsterdam explains his position on the murder of Van Gogh. Footage courtesy of local tv station AT5. If anyone feels the need to prepare a Dutch translation, it would be appreciated. To summarize: he agrees with the murderer. The guy is married to a Dutch woman and has five children.

Update 23.48: Reader Iwan was kind enough to provide a translation. You can read it by clicking 'Lees verder'.

Anchor: Today in several mosques one paid attention to the murder of Theo van Gogh during the Friday prayer. Imams told their flock that the murder was a violation of all principles of Islam. But not everone agrees.

Voice-over. The first part of the Friday prayer in the Barang (?) mosque in the Amsterdam precinct of Bos en Lommer was devoted to the murder on Theo van Gogh.

First man: The imam said that he finds the murder horrible and he expressed his compassion with the family and beloved ones of Theo van Gogh. And that this is unacceptable according to all values of Islam. This kind of individual action is not tolerated in Islam.

Second man: If you hear something like this, you start thinking in a different way. Like, yes, the imam is right, it's not allowed, it doesn't belong in Islam.

Third man: This man (the imam) has given his personal response. He's not expressing everyone's point of view. I say, if he (Mohamed B., the murderer) wouldn't have done it, I could have done it, or somebody else would have done it. Because, that man (Van Gogh) went too far. He had all the possibilities.

Interviewer: You mean, it's self-evident that it has happened?

Third man: It's very self-evident. He had his freedom of speech, but he has never tried to start a discussion or debate. He called Muslims goat fuckers. He received all attention to express that Muslims...

Interviewer: So the murder was in fact a just act?

Third man: That's my opinion. Not everybody's opinion, but that's my opinion. It is just.

Interviewer: But you do agree this doesn't fit the way we think in the Netherlands?

Third man: It's not about the way we think. I'm married myself to a Duth woman. I have five children who have been raised here in the Netherlands. If you try to insult their mother, then this reaction is very normal.

Interviewer: But don't you think that murder can't ever be considered normal?

Third man: Murder is normal. Why wouldn't murder be normal? What happens in Iraq? What do the Americans do to the Iraqi's? Did the Iraqi's ask for that? That's murder as well, and everone has accepted that. Everyone thinks that that's 'deadly normal'.


30 posted on 11/09/2004 10:37:50 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: sweneop

there ARE moderate muslims

I don't believe that.
There are muslims who haven't killed,yet.


31 posted on 11/09/2004 10:43:33 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: bikepacker67

bttt


32 posted on 11/09/2004 10:50:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hinckley buzzard
from post 30:
"Anchor: Today in several mosques one paid attention to the murder of Theo van Gogh during the Friday prayer. Imams told their flock that the murder was a violation of all principles of Islam. But not everone agrees."

islam is a big damn messy problem... but im not here to demonise it. my honest opinion of the situation is that many muslims are either quietly secular or non practicing (as ive seen first hand in iran) or varying levels of religious without the extremism. saying 'they are all extremists' is a way of avoiding the moral questions that dramatic actions like expulsion based on religion bring up.

the real shame is i havent got a magic button to put bullets through the heads of all the troublemakers. not having a magic button doesnt make it true that they are all extremists. thats our great problem worldwide. thats why we go into fallujah and try not to kill civilians.
33 posted on 11/10/2004 1:59:09 AM PST by sweneop
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; eagle11

Maybe the rest of Europe will hesitate until further damage is done, but the Dutch have stated this week that they're going to start deporting troublemakers, strip them of their dual-citizenship (the Dutch half), and close down radical mosques. That was stated by the vice mayor of Amsterdam, who apparently is Muslim.

Compare that to Spain, which came up with exactly nothing in response to the Madrid bombings. Nothing, not a word.


34 posted on 11/10/2004 3:14:11 AM PST by angkor
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To: hinckley buzzard; sweneop

Ah, then you have not seen the article where the vice mayor of Amsterdam - a Muslim - announced measures to deport Islamists, strip them of Dutch citizenship, and close down radical imams and mosques.

Also there was an anti-Islamist demo in Amsterdam, put on by Muslims, apparently a couple hundred showed up.

Here in the U.S. I'm going to assume it takes a great deal of courage to speak out against the Islamists, since nearly all the mosques in the U.S. are Wahabbi mosques, supported by the Saudis and thus tacitly Islamist.


35 posted on 11/10/2004 3:21:42 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor

Good news. The tide is turning.


36 posted on 11/10/2004 7:46:02 AM PST by eagle11 (Conservatives are Red, Liberals are Blue.....let's come together so we can....?)
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To: angkor

probably because they dont have a chance to win now so better get along for a while and let muslim numbers grow. then all the sudden those anti-islamists will be first in line to cut off infidel heads.


37 posted on 11/10/2004 7:51:14 AM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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To: bikepacker67

MODERATE ISLAM IS RADICAL ISLAMS TROJAN HORSR


38 posted on 11/10/2004 7:54:20 AM PST by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Ken H
For starters, they could stop all immigration from muslim countries and deport all muslim non citizens.

It's proposed that those with dual citizenship be stripped of their Dutch citizenship and sent home.

39 posted on 11/10/2004 8:07:17 AM PST by ladyjane (Reporters report, journalists distort.)
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To: angkor

Glad to hear this. It's a good start.


40 posted on 11/10/2004 8:41:47 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (I, the Jury)
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