[Heartlander]

When you delve into ID, you've basing your assumptions upon a premise which cannot be proven or disproven.

Well, science should now immediately show how human consciousness and morality came from mindlessness. If science ‘believes’ we came from a universe void of ID, I’m now asking scientism for answers. Obviously scientism has the answer or you’re ‘basing your assumptions upon a premise which cannot be proved or disproved’.

[NJ_gent]

"Well, science should now immediately show how human consciousness and morality came from mindlessness."

You're jumping into the metaphysical once more. Consciousness and morality are ill-defined concepts, much like pornography. As the good justice said, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. Science deals with cold, hard facts. When it tries to get outside of that which can be observed (at some point, not necessarily right this second), then it's junk science. That's the challenge of ID for scientists. No good scientist wants to discard a plausible explaination, but you can't test for intelligent design in any manner of scientific fashion. "Why does animal x have organ y? Becuase God wanted it that way."

"Obviously scientism has the answer"

Science doesn't claim to have all the answers. Science, like theology, is a method of searching for the truth. It's a method that's served us well with many things, but I've never heard any scientist claim that science holds the key to every secret in the universe. Stephen Hawking, a master of science, has specifically stated time and time again that science can never answer a lot of questions. Whenever someone tries to talk about what happened prior to the Big Bang, he immediately laughs it off as a pointless discussion for the realms of science because everything prior to the Big Bang doesn't make any sense in terms of the laws of the universe as we understand them.