National Geographic Ignores The Flaws in Darwin's Theory

Discovery Institute News ^ | 11/8/04 | Jonathan Wells

[Doctor Stochastic]

Inter spieces re-production does not happen...

Is this your definition of a species (failure of reproduction)? If so, it contradicts your comment: And closely related spieces reproduction is ALWAYS sterile...

Fertile mules do exist.

Note that your definition would imply and tigers are the same species.

[Pacothecat]

"side appear to be represented by jackasses"

Thank you for proving my point.NO HONEST DEBATE JUST SHRILL INSULTS!THAT WAS A WINNER FOR THE DEMOCRATES TOO!

[Dimensio]

Thank you for proving my point.

You haven't made a point. You presented a list of dishonest quotes, you got called on it, and then you threw a temper tantrum because someone pointed out that your "arguments" were invalid for a number of reasons.

NO HONEST DEBATE JUST SHRILL INSULTS!

What debate? You presented a series of quotes that were either out of context or otherwise misrepresented, and you got called on it. Rather than attempt to justify your actions or at least apologize for being duped by creationist quote mines, you threw a fit and made yourself look immature.

[hosepipe]

[ Fertile mules do exist. Note that your definition would imply and tigers are the same species. ]

I didn't imply that..
I see.. Sooo.. If I git yer drift....
Jackalopes are possible then... or Bassagators..
Doberman Kittys might be useful too.. or Peregrine Finches.

You seem to be a believer.. I'm not..
I be a Agnosnievolusonist.. not really sure what happened, and not ready to commit for lack of concern. Thats a job for democrats. Which is producing proof that "GOD" did NOT grant inalienable human rights, in our Constitution.. And that privileges granted by government are better than god granted "rights".. inalienable or otherwise.. Attack the source of those rights and you attack those rights.. I'm not sure God granted them either but do enjoy them.. and will support "God" in what ever future support it gives..

In choosing myths.. I prefer "God" as opposed to some nebulous theory that says I'm no better than road kill, WALKING.. and IMPLYS I have no "rights" except the ones my MOB guarantees.. since democracy and democrats are FOR MOB rule(democracy)..

Call me stupid, please.. because I don't refuse myself that right with "others"... know what I mean ?..

[Pacothecat]

Are you serious, I get insults instead of debate, even to the point of calling
"My side JACKASSES"
and your saying I threw a temper tantrum.
But then again you are just echoing the hate of your hero
Darwin in 1881
"The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world."

This is a THEORY based in hate and it will be gone like all the others.

Now seriously using dates to try and knock down quotes is not a response to them.
Origin of Species 1859.
SECOND CALLING PEOPLE NAMES DOSE NOT DISPROVE THE QUOTES.

And everything you can't deal with you ignore -
Zealot Evolutionary misuse Galileo just as Darwin tried to:
"When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false: but the old saying of Vox pouli, vox Dei ( voice of the people, voice of God) as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science"
Charles Darwin

The conflict was not between a progressive scientist and a backward clergy, in fact, Galileo's defense was that scriptures were not wrong, only the Catholic Church interpretations of the scriptures were wrong. Galileo said nothing he held was in conflict with Scripture. The Holy Office finally issued a decree in 1616 declaring the Pythagorean doctrine of the motion of the earth to be false and altogether opposed to Holy Scripture Galileo's name was not mentioned in the decree, nor were his works prohibited. The incident ended on a decorous note with Pope Paul V gracefully receiving Galileo in a long audience in which the Pope assured Galileo that any rumors and calumny directed against him would be ignored by the Vatican.

Also many here have tried to use transitional fossil examples that show a change within a species - Micro Evolution (accepted reality - not evolution just breading)

No fossils show Macro evolution (and there would be MILLIONS) A species changing to a new one.

And can anyone who does not want to be insulting please explain why zealot evolutionist will never own up to the false APE MEN -
Nebraska Man was based on a tooth alone
Java man was based on a skullcap, a femur, three teeth
Piltdown man was a fraud in which zealot evolutionists stained the jawbone of an ape to make it appear as though it matched a human skull, later admitted to be a fake.
Pekin man was pure fancy based on a tooth and some smashed up monkey skulls.

PLEASE NO LINKS TO CRAZY UNSUPPORTED WebPages!!!!

[Dimensio]

Are you serious, I get insults instead of debate, even to the point of calling "My side JACKASSES"

No, I said that you make it appear as though your side is supported by jackasses.

and your saying I threw a temper tantrum.

Yes, and you did.

Darwin in 1881

"The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world."

Not only are you taking an out-of-context quote, but you're taking a quote that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

Why do you quote mine? You prove nothing except that you don't actually have arguments so you resort to the resources of other creationists who have dishonestly cut quotes out of context to give them an apparently different meaning. That one doesn't even have anything to do with the theory of evolution, Darwin is not making a case for the theory of evolution in that statement, so it's totally irrelevant to the validity of the theory.

This is a THEORY based in hate and it will be gone like all the others.

Why do you emphasize the word "theory" as though that gives you additional credibility. Do you know what a "theory" is within the context of science?

Darwin wasn't describing a basis for his theory, and you are a liar to imply that he was.

Looking at your posts, an unbiased observer would come to the conclusion that creationists only have lies to support their claims.

[Dimensio]

PLEASE NO LINKS TO CRAZY UNSUPPORTED WebPages!!!!

In other words, you've already decide what the "Truth" is, and you don't want people correctly pointing out that you are flat-out wrong.

No fossils show Macro evolution (and there would be MILLIONS) A species changing to a new one.

Not only is this false, but speciation has been directly observed.

Have you actually done any research beyond looking at creationist websites?

Piltdown man was a fraud in which zealot evolutionists stained the jawbone of an ape to make it appear as though it matched a human skull, later admitted to be a fake.

Creationists love trotting out Piltdown man as though it means something, even though it was doubted from the beginning and it was scientists who accepted evolution -- not creationists -- who ultimately exposed it as a fraud. But, hey, pointing out a few false leads and hoaxes helps to distract from the millions of irrefutable fossil samples collected throughout the decades.

[Pacothecat]

PLEASE NO LINKS TO CRAZY UNSUPPORTED WebPages!!!!

In other words, you've already decide what the "Truth" is, and you don't want people correctly pointing out that you are flat-out wrong.

No meaning every guy with 10 bucks a month and a little HTML dose not a scientist make.

[balrog666]

I suspect the jackass doesn't know what the word "debate" means either.

[Pacothecat]

And yet again you ignore what you can't answer

[Pacothecat]

"I suspect the jackass doesn't know what the word "debate" means either."

This rocks - go ahead call names - REALLY IT MAKES YOU SEEM SOOOOOOOOO SMART!
Your anger only gives credence to the fact that you can't deal with realty.

And yet again you ignore what you can't answer

[balrog666]

"I suspect the jackass doesn't know what the word "debate" means either."

Actually if you read the "posted by" notice you will find that Dimensio didn't post that.

This rocks - go ahead call names - REALLY IT MAKES YOU SEEM SOOOOOOOOO SMART! Your anger only gives credence to the fact that you can't deal with realty.

Anger? No, this is just how we typically deal with children without manners.

And yet again you ignore what you can't answer

You mean you don't even read the replies directed specifically to you? No wonder your mother ignores you!

[Pacothecat]

"No wonder your mother ignores you"
- And you know my mother how?
LOL!!!! You did it!!!! It was this bit of nastiness that finally convinced me!!!!!!!!!!
WAY TO ARGUE YOUR POINT. The hundredth insult did it.
You guys are right.
Where do we keep the Kool-aid?

[Ichneumon]

And yet again you ignore what you can't answer

What exactly do you think we have ignored that we can't answer? I'll be glad to answer it for you.

[Pacothecat]

Thank you!
I'll get a list of my points / questions together that I think disproves evolution (might take a little while) and I would honestly - without insults or ignoring the ones that are harder for your side to answer, like to know your responses. Hopefully instead of insults and anger we can debate this.

[Dimensio]

No meaning every guy with 10 bucks a month and a little HTML dose not a scientist make.

So you dismiss any linked reference out of hand, even if it is valid, because you don't want to risk that you'll find out that you are flat-out wrong.

[Dimensio]

And yet again you ignore what you can't answer

What, exactly, did I ignore?

[PatrickHenry]

Ghost of G3K placemarker.

[PatrickHenry]

400. Prime number placemarker.