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To: Weirdad

What crock! Because, yes, epidemiological studies have shown that sex education and availability of contraception works against both teen pregnancies AND STD (and as a concurrent issue, abortion rates). If you are keen on public health and not in pushing an agenda, you would recognize it.

And I love how you start insulting when people don't toe the line... Let me remember who you accuse of doing that...


27 posted on 11/09/2004 7:51:01 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Pitiricus
You say this: "Abstinence preaching never prevented a pregnancy!"

That's on its face invalid, you have no way to prove it, and it only takes one prevented pregnancy to show it's wrong. Statistics and testimony right here where I live prove it is wrong.

Pitiricus, when you make a brusk, snide unsupported one-line statement as though it blows away another position expressed seriously and in more detail, you are the one casting an insult, so no surprise you get a brusk answer back. And since you are wrong, it makes you incredible, and that's a fact, not an insult.

And when you want free stuff handed out by the government, well that's just acting like a Democrat, and my pointing it out not an insult from me, but a challenge to you to see if you are being internally consistent with your own views on this issue. And if you're embarrassed to look like a Democrat, then don't take a Democrat position.

Epidemiologic studies also show what is painfully obvious to us all--that Planned-Parenthood-Style sex education offered since the mid 1960's has been a continual dismal failure, whereas the new wave of Abstinence-Based education is producing better results.

So you can cite countries with lower abortion rates. That proves nothing. What you need is to show the counties you were talking about that are "with a good sex ed course" whatever that means. You would then find your countries "where abstinence is preached" and then you would control for demographic variables and cultural exposures (easier said then done) and then make sure there are no confounders like cross exposure to the education methods, and then you might be able to start making valid comparisons.

So unless you have those studies there is no validity to your one-line teaser about how funny it that countries "with a good sex ed course" have superior outcomes.

Here's the real rub between people on both sides of this argument: Since Abstinence Education promotes behavior coherent with Christian ideals, it is distasteful to those who do not subscribe to those ideals to go along with it whether it is effective on pregnancy rates or not. People on my side route your own line right back at you about the validity of Abstinence: "If you are keen on public health and not in pushing an agenda, you would recognize it."

29 posted on 11/09/2004 12:22:46 PM PST by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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