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Zogby Mea Culpa: I am a Pollster, Not a Predictor
Zogby.com ^ | 11/8/04

Posted on 11/08/2004 2:51:36 PM PST by ambrose

Released: November 08, 2004

Mea Culpa: I am a Pollster, Not a Predictor

By John Zogby

Okay, I got it wrong. And I got it right. Last May, I did indeed say that John Kerry would win and, if he didn’t, it would be his fault.

Please understand that I wasn’t saying this as a partisan but as a historian of elections. I did not have a horse in this race. For those of you so kind to point out that my brother is on the executive committee of the Democratic National Committee, you need to understand that he was an active Democrat when my polling showed George Pataki defeating Mario Cuomo in 1994, when I had Bob Dole doing much better than other polls suggested against Bill Clinton in 1996, and when I polled for the National Republican Congressional Committee in 1998. It seems I spent lots of my time back then denying I was a Republican.

And to those who note my Arab heritage and again my relationship with my brother, please read the Democratic National Committee position on the Middle East. It offered me no comfort.

I had no horse in this race.

But I did teach American history and political science for 24 years. And I have been polling for a total of 20 years and there are some analytical tools that I (and many others) use to determine election outcomes. That is what I used as the basis of my May column in the St. Louis Business Journal and my September column in the Financial Times. I did feel then (as I do now) that the race was John Kerry’s to lose.

First, President George W. Bush was not posting solid re-elect numbers. Indeed, the last three Presidents who ran for re-election with numbers as low as his – Gerald Ford in 1976, Jimmy Carter in 1980, and George H.W. Bush in 1992 – all lost. Surprising to me, and rather significantly, President Bush was just re-elected with a majority of the vote by an electorate that still gave him a negative job performance rating and felt the country was headed in the wrong direction.

Second, John Kerry led the President on his ability to handle most issues – the economy, education, health care and the war in Iraq. But the President triumphed on his handling of the war on terrorism, on moral values, and on leadership.

As it turns out, the exit polls suggest that more voters listed “moral values” as their most important issue even though it barely registered in our pre-election poll or, for that matter, in our post-election surveys, either.

It is not that we completely missed the issue. I have related many times in both columns and public speeches that 2004 was the “Armageddon Election” – i.e. that the nation was split between two warring cultures, ideologies, and even demographics. The election was nasty and the two Americas were angry. And, as it turns out, the election was very close.

Why did Kerry lose? I think several factors explain it. First, he wasted too much time talking about his military background and trying to persuade the 48% of the voters who would never vote for him that he could handle the war on terror. In this regard, he wasted his own convention, where he should have rallied his own base, and set himself up for the negative campaigning that would raise all of the important questions about his past, his judgment, and his persona.

Second, he didn’t say anything to his base. Principally, Kerry’s core constituency was against the war in Iraq. While the Senator changed his focus to more criticism of the war, the fact was that he supported the President, opposed funding for the troops, and never offered an alternative scenario. He tried to be all over the place and ended up no place at all.

Lastly, Kerry just didn’t connect with voters. This isn’t just the obvious criticism about his personality. It is metaphoric of the entire Democratic Party which simply doesn’t understand the religiosity of most Americans, the needs of the heartland that go well beyond bread and butter. How else to explain the many voters who told us that they have been left behind by the economy and still voted for the incumbent?

In short, I also missed the boat and I feel I must explain what happened. Whenever I rely only on history to make a call, I lose. That happened to me in both the 1998 and 2000 New York Senate races. My telephone polling was actually accurate both for Reuters nationally and in the 10 battleground states. My interactive polling for Wall Street Journal Online got 13 of 16 states right (one was tied). Because I have polled so successfully in presidential races in the past, I felt compelled to poll as late as I could and thought I saw a late-breaking trend for Kerry. Such a trend – fueled by a surge of young voters that was reported to us in our many calls to battleground cities on election day – did not materialize.

My polling was right. My ability to predict was wrong. For those of you who have supported my work over the years, I apologize. I will do better next time: I will just poll not predict.

(11/8/2004)


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To: ambrose
"...I had no horse (face) in this race..."

Opensecrets.org says otherwise you filthy liar Zogby.

41 posted on 11/08/2004 3:12:20 PM PST by FlJoePa (Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.)
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To: ambrose

One word or 10,000 words of "explanation" it still all amounts to bulls**t. You know, we know so why try to alibi? Typical Dem crap.


42 posted on 11/08/2004 3:12:43 PM PST by matchwood
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To: ambrose

Does anyone notice that these pollsters always get their numbers wrong, then point to the internals to prove why they were right...

Hey John, you cannot make the statement that this president got re-elected with the lowest approval and directional ratings, when those ratings come from the flawed polls themselves. If your poll is wrong, you cannot state as fact that the President has low approval ratings.

Seems to me that the President just got a 51% approval Rating...and anyone with a 50% approval rating has been re-elected. YOUR POLLS WERE ALL WRONG. YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIOS ON ANY OF THE NUMBERS YOU GOT. PERIOD.


43 posted on 11/08/2004 3:14:40 PM PST by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope to save the life of a liberal?)
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To: ambrose

> My polling was right. My ability to predict was wrong.

So if his polling has no clear predictive value,
why would anyone pay him for his work product?

... unless what the customer actually wanted was
bent results to begin with.


44 posted on 11/08/2004 3:15:27 PM PST by Boundless (Polling got flushed with the Johns)
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To: ZellsBells

His poll results are "fake but accurate".


45 posted on 11/08/2004 3:17:45 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: ambrose

Zogby, you are stinking POS!


46 posted on 11/08/2004 3:18:19 PM PST by Highwayman53 (Behind Enemy Lines...)
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To: ambrose
Okay, I got it wrong. And I got it right. Last May, I did indeed say that John Kerry would win and, if he didn’t, it would be his fault.

Nice try to cover your ass no matter what the outcome.

Get a new schtick, this one's not working.

47 posted on 11/08/2004 3:19:03 PM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Recovering Hermit

Wonder what Bob Brinker thinks of him now?


48 posted on 11/08/2004 3:21:45 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: ambrose
Zogby translation:

*blub blub blub* "Too....much....sauce...."
*blub blub blub* "Must hold on...."
*blub blub blub* "No...more....sauce......at least until '08."


49 posted on 11/08/2004 3:24:02 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: ambrose

Second, John Kerry led the President on his ability to handle most issues – the economy, education, health care and the war in Iraq. But the President triumphed on his handling of the war on terrorism, on moral values, and on leadership.

AND JUST HOW DID HE LEAD? IF ANYTHING IS CLEAR, IT'S THAT KERRY COULD NOT EVEN MANAGE HIS OWN CAMPAIGN.


50 posted on 11/08/2004 3:27:07 PM PST by oldbrowser (Red Stater exiled in California)
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To: ambrose

Well it actually is. His brother is a shill for the palestinian authority and the DNC.

Follow the money.....follow the money.


51 posted on 11/08/2004 3:27:11 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: ambrose

This is sounding Biblical almost.


52 posted on 11/08/2004 3:29:36 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Boundless

your are spot on...Follow the money Grandpa use to say.


53 posted on 11/08/2004 3:30:28 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: ambrose

"I am a rectum, not a sphincter."


54 posted on 11/08/2004 3:30:35 PM PST by freepy smurf (Brought to you by The Frog Council. 'Frog: the other green meat.')
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To: My2Cents

OMG! ROFLMAO!!!


55 posted on 11/08/2004 3:31:20 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: ambrose


It was Bush's to lose, NOT Kerry's.
Zogby is lame.


56 posted on 11/08/2004 3:33:20 PM PST by onyx
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To: ambrose
Please understand that I wasn’t saying this as a partisan but as a historian of elections

We believe, him -- don't we, boys?

Bwaaaaahhh-hahahahaha!

Dan
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Biblical Christianity message board
57 posted on 11/08/2004 3:34:53 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ambrose

Think of Al-Taqiyah


58 posted on 11/08/2004 3:35:44 PM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: Brett66

Ah yes....fake. Much like the CBS NG memos.
(sniff, sniff)....

Hey....I'm starting to smell a very striking parallel here! What IS that odor? Could it be that well known 'fragrance'.....lefty eau de toilette?


59 posted on 11/08/2004 3:37:49 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: ambrose
Please understand that I wasn’t saying this as a partisan but as a historian of elections. I did not have a horse in this race. For those of you so kind to point out that my brother is on the executive committee of the Democratic National Committee, you need to understand...

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Zog!"

60 posted on 11/08/2004 3:38:12 PM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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