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Democrats in post-poll denial
AFP via Manila Times ^ | 11-8-04

Posted on 11/08/2004 6:35:00 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

NEW YORK—The Democrats suffering a potent post-election hangover of bewilderment and despair have sought but found little relief in morning-after messages of defiance at President George W. Bush’s reelection.

The seasoned Democrats are hardly strangers to being out-maneuvered or out-gunned by the Republican election machine.

But the heartache John Kerry’s defeat inflicted on his supporters was especially crippling given the belief that, this time around, they had more than held their own in a particularly bitter campaign.

“We’ll admit to being heartbroken. It’s a dark day,” said Eli Pariser, executive director of MoveOn, the political action committee for the pro-Kerry grassroots lobby group MoveOn.org.

“I’m devastated,” said Kurt Mangel, a Democrat in his 40s, who became actively involved for the first time in this election, campaigning for months in his home state of Pennsylvania.

“There’s no anger; I just feel heartbroken,” Mangel said. “I don’t fear so much for myself, because I can go to Canada, but for my country and this 200-and-some-year-old dream that has worked so magnificently.”

With leaked early exit polls suggesting a Kerry win, the Democrats began election night on a high, only to end up being dealt a triple body blow: Bush won, he won with a majority of the popular vote, and the Republicans strengthened their control of both houses of Congress.

“Every Democrat I talk to is deflated right now,” said Ricardo Peña, 30, who spent months canvassing for Kerry in Ohio, which proved to be the election’s pivotal state.

 “People that I know have called to see how I’m doing. They know it was a hard one to swallow,” he said.

“This isn’t just a disappointing election result,” wrote Josh Mar­shall, editor of the left-of-center political weblog Talkingpoints­memo.com. “The consequences of what happened last night are too great.”

Meanwhile, outspoken filmmaker Michael Moore, who made the Bush-bashing documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, urged despondent Democrats “not to slit your wrists” over the result of Tuesday’s vote.

The general sense of despair has been matched by an element of disbelief, especially among those who were more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry and who felt that the situation in Iraq would prove to be the President’s undoing.

“It’s been a very strange two days,” said Bill Dobbs, a spokesman for United for Peace and Justice, which organized the largest anti-Iraq war rally on the eve of the Republican convention in New York in August.

“It does take a while to absorb this election, because people were very emotionally invested in it and a lot of people are very unhappy,” Dobbs said.

Amid the hand-wringing were notes of defiance, as some sought to put a brave face on a somewhat uncertain future.

“Many of you have e-mailed to ask me what you can do,” said Markos Moulitsas, who runs the top left-wing blog, Daily Kos.

“If you oppose Bush, now isn’t the time to feel sorry for yourself,” he wrote. “Now is the time to get to work.”

Kim Brinster, manager of the gay and lesbian Oscar Wilde bookstore in New York, professed to being upset but not entirely surprised by the vote, which was marked by an unexpectedly high turnout from the evangelical community in rural areas.

“It’s desperately sad and disheartening,” Brinster said. “In New York, I think we’re more progressive in working toward a world that accepts diversity in all senses of the word, and it’s depressing to realize the rest of country is not with us in that.”

Some called for a radical rethink of the Democratic policies, saying that Kerry’s defeat, after so much effort had been expended, raised key questions that the party could no longer afford to ignore.

Andrei Cherny, a former director of speechwriting for Kerry, said the Democrats needed to think about how to respond to Americans’ moral and spiritual yearnings, and how to broaden their national security vision beyond a critique of the Republican foreign policy.

“If we sweep this debate under the rug, four years from now, another set of people around another conference table will be struggling with the same issues we did,” Cherny wrote in a New York Times commentary.

“And America cannot afford the same result,” he added.
--AFP


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; dnc; kerry; kerrydefeat; moveonorg; schadenfreude
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To: snarkytart

No, No, No !! I don't want them to "get over it" too soon. All the pain and suffering they inflicted on our President and his supporters, LET THEM SUFFER AWHILE.


21 posted on 11/08/2004 6:48:47 AM PST by no dems (NICE GUYS FINISH LAST. GET RADICAL !!!)
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To: Hoodlum91

find it amazing that the dems were so shocked by the results. As it turned out, with the exception of ARG (a dem pollster) and Zogby (need I say more) the pre-election polls turned out to be pretty accurate.



Amidst all the hand-wringing about the exit polls and about the Karl Rove strategery this point seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. The pre-election polls nailed the result, multiple polls, multiple polling organizations, multiple states, multiple points in time.

Another point that is worth thinking about is this. How did the kerry organization react to a piece of data (in the midst of a battle) that turned to be wrong? How did the Bush administration react to the same piece of data? Kerry's organization started writing victory speeches and deciding how to work on their transition. The Bush organization put the data in a larger context, saw that it was flawed, and stayed the same course they were on.

OK, so what does that tell you about the temperament and maturity of the respective organizations? What does that tell you about who you would want managing a crisis confronting the nation? (As if we already didn't know that!)


22 posted on 11/08/2004 6:49:17 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“It’s desperately sad and disheartening,” Brinster said. “In New York, I think we’re more progressive in working toward a world that accepts diversity in all senses of the word, and it’s depressing to realize the rest of country is not with us in that.”
Ah yess the party of tolerance...
23 posted on 11/08/2004 6:49:27 AM PST by JesseJane ("Hey hey...ho ho...a cowboy, not a gigolo." - I love this... whoever said it!!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Kerry was never a head in the polls. Never.
It was no surprise.


24 posted on 11/08/2004 6:50:34 AM PST by MaryJaneNC
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To: snarkytart

I love the smell of defeated liberals in the morning....well, maybe not...but i love to hear that they are heartbroken...boo hooo

The Capt.


25 posted on 11/08/2004 6:50:55 AM PST by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“It’s desperately sad and disheartening,” Brinster said. “In New York, I think we’re more progressive in working toward a world that accepts diversity in all senses of the word, and it’s depressing to realize the rest of country is not with us in that.”

It is in fact THEY who ware the bigoted and intolerant. They do not tolerate Christians, Evangelicals, Catholics,..

26 posted on 11/08/2004 6:51:02 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Ptaz
The economy will be helped for the next 4 years because all the bush-hating libs will be writing more books and producing more films than ever. And, if I may do so, I'd like to take this opportunity to publicly thank George Soros, Michael Moore, Moveon.org and all the Hollyweird crowd and Dim 527s for the 100+ million dollars they poured into our economy and GOT NOTHING FOR IT!!! Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaah !!!
27 posted on 11/08/2004 6:52:33 AM PST by no dems (NICE GUYS FINISH LAST. GET RADICAL !!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“It’s been a very strange two days,” said Bill Dobbs, a spokesman for United for Peace and Justice, which organized the largest anti-Iraq war rally on the eve of the Republican convention in New York in August.
I'm so sick of the scumbag, anti-American loonies I could vomit.
If you're not with us, you're against us!

28 posted on 11/08/2004 6:52:51 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hey dim-o-RATS --- Enough already! --- STFU!
30 posted on 11/08/2004 6:54:10 AM PST by Petes Sandy Girl (~*~ W '04 ~*~)
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To: EdReform; Jim Robinson; SierraWasp; Liz; Southack; Shermy; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee; ...
Free Republic's new airline now has post election day specials to Canada for the next 60 days.


31 posted on 11/08/2004 6:54:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Truth to tell, I can remember way back in '96 when I stumbled around for a couple of days in utter amazement that Clinton had been reelected.

Granted, Dole had run a horrible campaign and Perot had just made things worse, but I still couldn't believe that all of Bubba's scandals, and there had been quite a few by that time, hadn't made him utterly unelectable.

I imagine that this, at least partially, is what makes my schadenfraude so rich and satisfying.

It took a bit longer than I had expected, but the country has decisively rejected Clintonism in it's entirety. Oh well, better late than never.

Suck on it DemonCRAPS!!!
32 posted on 11/08/2004 6:55:25 AM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: EdReform

Zell Miller and his fellow old time democrats can rescue what's left of the party after the rat haters of America go to Canada, Mexico, France, Syria, or Iran.


33 posted on 11/08/2004 6:56:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Poor babies. Maybe they can get the crooked trial lawyers and the corrupt national labor union officials to provide crying towels.


34 posted on 11/08/2004 6:57:30 AM PST by hgro
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To: cj2a
Good Grief! Have these navel gazers NEVER suffered ANY loss or disappointment in their LIVES?

No. They were taught it was bad for their self esteem

35 posted on 11/08/2004 6:57:44 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: snarkytart
Goodness, why don't they just get over it already.

Because they don't want to MoveOn.org.

36 posted on 11/08/2004 6:58:07 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Buttaboom

It's been going on since Nov. 3. They're convinced they have concrete evidence of voter fraud, yet none of them have ever posted one single bit of evidence. The video they linked to was absolutely hilarious. It was supposed to be a video of voter intimidation at a mostly black precinct in Ohio. What was the intimidation? Two terrified white guys who weighed about 140 lbs a piece with cell phones. At no time on the video did either of these guys even attempt to talk to anyone. They stood around writing something on a clipboard and talking on their cell phones. It was laughable. And this video was supposed to be proof of GOP voter intimidation. They're out of their minds over there, but I have to admit it's very entertaining.

They're basing most of their hopes on the early exit polling. They feel that proves that Kerry really won and that Rove had the fix in. Even CNN has said when they saw the early polling numbers they scratched their heads and refused to report them because they obviously weren't right. I mean they had Kerry winning South Carolina for God's sake. Are you kidding me?


37 posted on 11/08/2004 6:58:31 AM PST by Novel
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38 posted on 11/08/2004 6:59:49 AM PST by Legion04
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To: Ronin

I felt the same way, but took a glimmer of satisfaction that he never got greater than 50%. Also, one has to consider that FR was just getting going; Rush was around, but he was no match for the pro-Willy MSM all by himself.


39 posted on 11/08/2004 7:02:40 AM PST by lemura
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Has there been any sort of public statement yet from the "Jersey Girls"? After all the effort they went through to "get" Bush, I'm really interested to see what their take on the election results are.


40 posted on 11/08/2004 7:03:58 AM PST by tanknetter
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