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Canada's clergy push to unionize
Buffalo News ^ | November 7, 2005 | MICHAEL VALPY

Posted on 11/07/2004 4:04:29 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John

TORONTO - They work for God, but say workplace conditions too often are wretched. A group of United Church clergy in Ontario and British Columbia, therefore, have taken the first steps toward unionizing the 4,000 pastors in Canada's largest Protestant denomination.

Citing psychological and physical abuse, bad working conditions, sweatshop wages and a corporate church that responds to their problems inadequately, a group of 30 clerics in Ontario and a similar number on the West Coast have invited unions to step in and organize the church.

Physical abuse has become such a problem for clergy that in England, the giant Manufacturing, Science and Finance Union, which represents 1,500 Anglican priests and a few rabbis, has made available tae kwon do martial arts defense courses rather than insist its members turn the other cheek.

"People are sometimes angry at God or religion or at life, and the clergyperson represents that," said the Rev. David Galston, pastor of Eternal Spring United Church in Hamilton and one of the leaders of the unionization movement.

In Ontario, the Canadian Auto Workers greeted the clergy with open arms.

"I didn't have any hesitation when it was brought to my attention," said Mike Shields, the union's national director of organizing. "They're where we're at" on social justice issues.

But in union headquarters, after the first shiver of excitement at the prospect of organizing a church, the idea sunk in that the union's closeness with the United Church's national administration could be awkward at the negotiating table.

The issue does not appear to upset the church, which learned details last week of the move to organize its clergy.

The Rev. Jim Sinclair, United Church national general secretary, cited joint endeavors by the church and union, then noted, "Our relationship with the union movement is not something that's been a negative one, and I don't see why it couldn't be a positive one, if in fact this moved further along."

Or as another senior official at national headquarters put it, "We're nice people."

After the clerics met Friday with the union's legal team, the Auto Workers agreed to undertake the organizing effort on behalf of the church workers with dark stories to tell.

Vision TV's flagship public affairs program, 360 Vision, which first got wind of the unionization effort, broadcast a documentary earlier last week in which the wife of one clergyman described how her husband was driven from his United Church ministry in Southern Ontario by what she maintained was a smear campaign.

Galston, former principal of the United Church's Iona College at the University of Windsor, said the church's own statistics show that at any given time 18 percent of its clergy are on stress leave. In fact, the church says that 60 percent have reported some conflict with their congregations.

Galston recalled coming into his office when he was pastor at another church and finding a member of the congregation going through his personal files. When he asked what the man was doing, he was told it was none of his business.

He said members of the congregation often just to walk into the minister's residence - the manse - as if they owned the building. He described one clergyman walking out of his shower to find someone in the house. "There could be 20 keys to the door floating around," he said. "You don't know who has them."

Galston said a minister's pay after 12 years' service is $31,750 (U.S.) plus housing. It should be $8,300 to $12,500 higher, he said.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clergy; clery; unions; unitedchurch
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1 posted on 11/07/2004 4:04:30 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I'm sorry, but clergy are supposed to be called to a much higher union.....


2 posted on 11/07/2004 4:05:33 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Interesting...and they are pushing for homosexual marraige as well.


3 posted on 11/07/2004 4:06:53 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Great... now they'll be clergy thugs.


5 posted on 11/07/2004 4:07:16 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Speechless!!!


6 posted on 11/07/2004 4:08:31 PM PST by NTegraT
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

So, if they go on strike, do you get scab preachers to take their place? Make parishioners donate more to cover salaries? Make them free agents so they can negotiate multimillion dollar contracts with bigger churches? Not sure how this works.


7 posted on 11/07/2004 4:09:19 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: NTegraT
Unionized ministers??? LOL! This is a joke, right?

Not a joke. If it passes, can they strike?

8 posted on 11/07/2004 4:10:06 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: TonyRo76

Well.

It's hard to know where to begin with this one.

But one visual comes to mind right away...something to do with crossing the picket line to attend Sunday services when the ministers go on strike...


9 posted on 11/07/2004 4:12:17 PM PST by SE Mom (To Chirac: No blood for chocolate!)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Who they going to strike against, God?


10 posted on 11/07/2004 4:15:15 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

That's one way to screw God-fearing people. Bring in union thugs.


11 posted on 11/07/2004 4:16:13 PM PST by BobS
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

jimmy hoffa would have loved this one...


12 posted on 11/07/2004 4:18:11 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Look for the Union Label!


13 posted on 11/07/2004 4:18:43 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
If it passes, can they strike?

LOL!!! i can just picture 200 parishioners not going to church because the pastor is outside holding a sign that says "down with god" on it!

14 posted on 11/07/2004 4:21:37 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

canada is unstable, i'm telling you. take away hockey for just a few weeks and look what happens....


16 posted on 11/07/2004 4:23:18 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Clerical Workers Union.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 4:23:19 PM PST by decimon
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To: TonyRo76

i am guessing the union thugs will make it more "convenient" to get people to tithe (smile).


18 posted on 11/07/2004 4:24:30 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
"Stay out da churches!!...Stay out da churches!!"

FMCDH(BITS)

20 posted on 11/07/2004 4:27:17 PM PST by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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