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Second chance to reform '3 strikes'
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/7/4 | Editorial

Posted on 11/07/2004 2:32:32 PM PST by SmithL

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The Comicle laments for the poor, poor, criminals.
1 posted on 11/07/2004 2:32:32 PM PST by SmithL
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But we continue to believe that in a civilized society a life sentence should only be imposed only for the most serious crimes.

But that begs the question; "How do we get them to stop committing crimes?". Three strikes is called "deterrence".

2 posted on 11/07/2004 2:35:07 PM PST by glorgau
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Keep it simple. Just call it 2 strikes- end of debate.


3 posted on 11/07/2004 2:37:04 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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How many people have committed one crime no less three?

If a guy is being convicted of three crimes, he is in crime.

The last crime may be a misdemeanor, but what is any two time loser doing having any more run-ins with the law.

Three strikes purpose was to take the career criminal off the streets.

Being convicted for three different crimes would indicate that is exactly what you are.

4 posted on 11/07/2004 2:37:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: SmithL

One of the cases the Libs love to point to is a guy whose third strike was stealing a cookie. Of course they fail to mention that he had broken into a bakery and was trying to open the safe when he was caught.


5 posted on 11/07/2004 2:37:52 PM PST by socal_parrot (Four more years!!!)
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I know! When anyone tells me about some murderer who got out of jail and was sent back there after stealing a pizza, I always ask the bleeding heart, "When was the last time YOU stole a pizza?" Give me a break. Seems to me if a killer is lucky enough to get out of jail and stupid enough to steal a pizza, we should throw his a-- back in the slammer without regret.


6 posted on 11/07/2004 2:40:34 PM PST by utahagen
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To: SmithL

LOL! This is another one of Soros' pet campaigns.


7 posted on 11/07/2004 2:41:30 PM PST by CWOJackson
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I was influenced to vote against this "reform" when I read the long of list of crimes that would no longer be considered "serious" when it comes to three strikes.
8 posted on 11/07/2004 2:43:55 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: SmithL

if you have two strikes against you and you decide that you wanna piss your life away over a snicker bar then so be it


9 posted on 11/07/2004 2:49:36 PM PST by skaterboy (59 MILLION!!)
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To: SmithL

In California under "Three Strikes and You Are Out" there is judicial discretion=the judge decides when to apply "strikes."

This article mentions non-violent crimes, and states it wasn't the intent of the original proposition that it apply to same.

Wrong. It WAS intended to apply to habitual, repeat criminals.

If somebody comes up with a reasonable refinement to the existing law, it will pass. The recent proposition had too many loopholes, and would have sent bad guys into society.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.


10 posted on 11/07/2004 2:50:54 PM PST by truth_seeker
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They need to be honest and tell the true reason they are fighting this law: To get more voters for RAT candidates.


11 posted on 11/07/2004 2:51:01 PM PST by John Thornton
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The last strike cannot be a misdemeanor because the three strikes law only applies to felonies. The left wants to exclude "non-violent" felonies from the three strikes law. Well what if the other two felonies were violent? Should we allow serial criminals one more chance to rape, kill or maim another innocent victim?
12 posted on 11/07/2004 2:57:02 PM PST by Generation_W (All ladies are women but not all women are ladies. Thank God for Laura Bush, truely a lady)
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I am glad I voted against this stupid proposition. 3 strikes means just that. If you have two felonies and you don't want to spend the rest of your life in jail, then you should probably not steal a bottle of aspirin or anything else. The fact that these people committed another crime shows that they probably committed crimes we are not aware of and the small one was the one they were caught for. The bleeding heart liberals can go jump in a lake. There is a reason the crime rate is lower since 3 strikes....but I guess they can't figure that one out.


13 posted on 11/07/2004 2:57:04 PM PST by calex59
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Yes, I forgot to put that in my last post. The reason these seem like small crimes is because they were committed while on parole and any crime you commit on parole is a felony. The do gooders forget to tell you that or don't care. Don't want to go to jail for life? Don't do any felonies. Yes, sometimes innocent people are put in jail, but since DNA that is happening less and less. Also if you are in for 3 felonies then you are most likely guilty. Hard to imagine anyone being convicted of three felonies erroneously.


14 posted on 11/07/2004 3:01:48 PM PST by calex59
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To: SmithL

Several years ago, while on a trip to San Francisco, I attended the first showing of a documentary on the problems of California's 3-strikes law. It featured the father of Polly Klaas, whose murder (as I recall) helped lead to the present law. It seemed like a convincing presentation, but now I'm not so sure. Reason I wonder? The documentary maker was Michael Moore!


15 posted on 11/07/2004 3:10:51 PM PST by madprof98
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>>Keep it simple. Just call it 2 strikes- end of debate.

Or "Two strikes and a foul tip!" :)


16 posted on 11/07/2004 3:14:19 PM PST by MarineBrat
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To: glorgau

"How do we get them to stop committing crimes?". Three strikes is called "deterrence".

Change 25-life to amputation of both hands.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 3:16:35 PM PST by dalereed
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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Mantras like this furnish zero information about whether the punishment is just or not.

18 posted on 11/07/2004 3:17:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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Well what if the other two felonies were violent?

If not mistaken, that's what the law requires now. "Non violent felonies" (fraud, etc.) do not count.

19 posted on 11/07/2004 3:20:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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The Chronicle does not seem to understand that nonviolent crimes are still crimes and still have victims as do rape or murder.
20 posted on 11/07/2004 3:20:51 PM PST by quadrant
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