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Port of Houston teams up with Panama to draw a piece of Asia's massive trade away from West Coast
Houston Chronicle ^

Posted on 11/07/2004 6:58:42 AM PST by maui_hawaii

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1 posted on 11/07/2004 6:58:42 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: LowCountryJoe

If only we stopped trading with other countries, then this valuable land could become a nature preserve.


2 posted on 11/07/2004 7:07:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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I guess its cheaper to go a little longer route through the Panama Canal than it costs to anchor your boat off the shore of California, and then pay the California rates for everything.

Also Houston has one of the largest Chinese populations in America.

Despite all this, there is a bigger story in here somewhere.

3 posted on 11/07/2004 7:11:44 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Willie Green
"Currently, cargo is backing up again on the West Coast, with as many as 40 vessels at a time anchored in the harbor at Los Angeles.

The problems on the West Coast stem from labor shortages as well as rail congestion."

People who lost their jobs in the rust belt states to Chinese manufacturers need to get off unemployment and move to California to help unload ships or to Houston to work in the distribution centers.

Instead we'll probably have to rely on immigrant labor.

4 posted on 11/07/2004 7:18:16 AM PST by bayourod (Specter's litmus test : "No Christian Judges")
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To: bayourod

Good luck dealing with the Unions in California.


5 posted on 11/07/2004 7:27:20 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
The Houston Port Authority is expanding it's Bayport terminal, 1 mile from my house. H.P.A. is money-grubbing, land-grubbing monolith, designed to benefit a few old-money Houston bigwigs! We won't give up the fight!

The Houston Comical supports the expansion of this government body just as it does the Metropolitan Transit Authority!

6 posted on 11/07/2004 7:44:36 AM PST by TexasCajun
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I have to admit I have not been following the Houston Port Authority these days :o)

Post some articles on it. It would be interesting to know (for me) what all the hubbub is about.

7 posted on 11/07/2004 7:48:18 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
"I guess its cheaper to go a little longer route through the Panama Canal than it costs to anchor your boat off the shore of California, and then pay the California rates for everything."

"Also Houston has one of the largest Chinese populations in America."

"Despite all this, there is a bigger story in here somewhere."

Also, China effectively owns the Panama Canal.

8 posted on 11/07/2004 8:03:16 AM PST by Clive
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I have to admit I have not been following the Houston Port Authority these days :o)
Post some articles on it. It would be interesting to know (for me) what all the hubbub is about.

Ship Slams Into Offshore Gas Platform

9 posted on 11/07/2004 8:51:55 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Clive
Chinese companies are positioning themselves throughout the Carribean.

This is a long term plan though...

10 posted on 11/07/2004 8:53:11 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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"Currently, cargo is backing up again on the West Coast, with as many as 40 vessels at a time anchored in the harbor at Los Angeles.

I heard all about this in a staff meeting this week. California has killed itself with its policies. Too bad. So sad. You reap nothing when you sow nothing.

11 posted on 11/07/2004 8:55:02 AM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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Does anyone recall that strike in CA a while back (2002)? The technology vs the union worker thing?


12 posted on 11/07/2004 8:59:07 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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Link
13 posted on 11/07/2004 9:01:29 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
If you tax the pants off of businesses, they won't do business in your state.

There are lessons to be learned from this...

14 posted on 11/07/2004 9:03:25 AM PST by BP2
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Taxation is one thing, squeezing blood from a turnip is another. In this case its both. Business can react just as the unions can.


15 posted on 11/07/2004 9:06:04 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: 1rudeboy
Live Green; down with globalization!

[no Willie pun intended, of course]

16 posted on 11/07/2004 12:28:49 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (We now rejoin the regularly scheduled legacy building, already in progress!)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Check out #10. Apparently, we should let the Chinese have the Carribean, but build the moat anyway.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 8:12:08 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

To be honest, I couldn't really wrap my brain around the both of you are getting at. Is this some kind of carry-over from a previous thread? It may help me if I actually went to read this article.


18 posted on 11/08/2004 4:21:00 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (We now rejoin the regularly scheduled legacy building, already in progress!)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Just joshing.


19 posted on 11/08/2004 5:37:48 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Clive
Also, China effectively owns the Panama Canal.


Picture of the "Chinese" apprentices by the Canal


The Chinese Threat!!!

In the past few months, Panama has been subject to a barrage of "Bad Press" generated by US politicians that not only is unfair, but is seriously impacting tourism, investment, and retirement in this beautiful country. To help understand these myths I have the honor of presenting Mr. Robert Baker who is a well known American businessman living and involved in the commercial business circles of Panama for many years. He is well qualified to address this question. Here is his comment on this ridiculous situation his own words:

June 25, 2000

As past president of the American Chamber of Commerce and US Navy League in Panama, I am surprised at the number of intelligent people who have been fooled by "private agenda" politicians into believing that there is a Chinese problem with the Panama Canal. Some have gone so far as to suggest that the "red Chinese have taken over the Canal". This is so far from the truth that one wonders how such a story can get repeated by intelligent people. Here are the facts.

Three years ago in early 1997 I was invited by US Ambassador William Hughes to a breakfast with six visiting US Congressmen at the ambassador's home in La Cresta. These Congressmen, I am embarrassed to say, were down here on a "fact finding mission" to investigate the Chinese rumors. I think it important to note that it was the month of February which is very cold in Washington and very sunny and warm in Panama with tropical breezes flowing through the palm trees, not to mention the fact that the trip was paid for by all of us US taxpayers. If you were offered a free trip to a beautiful and sunny tropical paradise during the coldest month of the year in the States, what would you do? Their visit helped spread the Chinese rumor.

Here are the facts as I presented them to our "concerned" U.S. Congressmen. Several large companies submitted closed bids to manage the two ports on the Pacific and Atlantic sides of the Panama Canal. The large US construction company, Betchel bid only $2 million per year while the large British port manager, Hutchinson Wampoa bid almost $22 million per year. If you were the Panama government, which bid would you accept? Hong Kong was a British colony at the time and Hutchinson Wampoa is a British company who manages ports all over the world. They are a public company traded on all major stock exchanges. Anyone, including China, can own shares of their stock. It is a far stretch to conclude that since Hong Kong has reverted to China, that now makes Hutchinson Wampoa a Chinese company and that implies China has taken over the Panama Canal. It is also easy to understand that Betchel, the only American bidder, probably helped seed the Chinese rumor over sour grapes because they lost the bid. They also used US political pressure to try to get the Panama government to nullify the winning bid and open the process for re-bidding. It failed.

The "Chinese control the canal" idea is absurd. There are no Chinese running the ports. They are British and Panamanian employees. Keep in mind that the US military can return to Panama "without notice" at any time to insure the security and independence of the Canal.

We defeated Japan in W.W.II. Would you say that Japan now owns or controls the US government? After all, they own more US treasury bills than any country on earth.

Other facts you might want to consider if you are concerned about visiting or investing in Panama are the multinational corporations who find Panama to be a very good investment. Kansas City Southern Railroad won the bid on the old Trans Panama railroad line. Their investment is over $200 million. Bell South won the bid to establish the cellular telephone system and invested $100 million, while Cable & Wireless won the bid for the land lines and invited $652 million the first year and $500 million the last two years, and the list goes on and on. Panama has received over $2 billion in foreign investment during the past several years and privatization has brought in the latest technology. U.S. companies that have located here include Microsoft, Mobile Oil, AT&T, NCR, Delta, FedEx, American Airlines, Swift, General Mills, Xerox, Continental Airlines, DHL, Lanier, Kodak, G.E., Kraft Foods, Nabisco, Nestle, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Merrill Lynch, Bank of America, Chase Manhattan, Citibank, Intel, 3M, IBM, Bristol, Meyers, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Exxon, Colgate, Amway, Schering-Plough, Proctor & Gamble, Marriott, Holiday Inn, McDonalds's, Friday's, Bennigan's, etc, and these companies are only several of the more than 200 that have made substantial investments for long term returns.

I would be happy to discuss any aspects of the above report with anyone concerned with Panama. My cell phone, e-mail, and fax are listed below.

Best regards,
Robert E. Baker
Financial Consultant
Fax: (507) 265-6204
E-mail: robert.baker@cwp.net

20 posted on 12/14/2004 10:03:59 AM PST by j_accuse
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