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Support for marriage seen as crucial to Bush's win of second term
Catholic News Service ^ | November 6, 2004 | Nancy Frazier O'Brien

Posted on 11/07/2004 6:56:03 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/07/2004 6:56:04 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
"The Church's teaching on marriage and on the complementarity of the sexes reiterates a truth that is evident to right reason and recognized as such by all the major cultures of the world. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It was established by the Creator with its own nature, essential properties and purpose.(3) No ideology can erase from the human spirit the certainty that marriage exists solely between a man and a woman, who by mutual personal gift, proper and exclusive to themselves, tend toward the communion of their persons. In this way, they mutually perfect each other, in order to cooperate with God in the procreation and upbringing of new human lives."
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 11/07/2004 6:58:20 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer
All those on the left that are baffled, just don't get the fact that America wants common decencies to prevail. These same things are what America was founded on, and the left wants to change to fit THEIR agenda. They are the ones veering, and they want us to follow... Sorry.

NordP (www.pledgewear.com) – I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

3 posted on 11/07/2004 6:59:15 AM PST by NordP (Proud Member of God's GOTV)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow

Pro marriage ping!


4 posted on 11/07/2004 6:59:22 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus

Pro-life ping!


5 posted on 11/07/2004 7:00:09 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer

Doing a constitutional amendment on marriage puts that issue in the hands of the people. If you were to go Kerry's route some liberal judge would be making that decision for you like what happened in Massachusetts.


6 posted on 11/07/2004 7:04:57 AM PST by MadAnthony1776
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To: CaptainVictory

Missed this one .... ping!


7 posted on 11/07/2004 7:06:21 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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This is all true and I agree with it.

I also think that the swift boat guys did a WHOLE LOT to damage (S)Kerry's campaign and image.

Finally, Time and Newsweek just published their analyses of the Kerry campaign. They delayed publishing it because it is so damaging to Kerry. Apparently there were many, many problems in his campaign....mostly revolving around his inability to make a decision.
One commentary:
Kerry would have to make SOME/ANY decision and he simply couldn't. So he would start calling people for advice. He was always on his cell phone. Many times he would be on two cell phones at the same time, one at each ear.
Sometimes his campaign folks would simply TAKE HIS CELL PHONES AWAY FROM HIM to keep him on track.

Another tidbit:
Theresa was more of a liability than an asset. "High maintenance," the liberal editors called her.
During the Democrat primaries, Theresa was so angry with Dean that she DEMANDED that she be scheduled for a public debate with Dean. SHE wanted to publically DEBATE Dean. Harhar. What a fiasco for the Dems!!

The more I read about Kerry's campaign the more I see that he was doomed. The pro-Kerry editors of these two rags magazine BOTH concluded that Kerry simply did not know how to run a campaign. They both agreed, separately, that the Bush campaign ran CIRCLES around the Kerry campaign.

8 posted on 11/07/2004 7:08:18 AM PST by starfish923
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - People keep chewing this question - was it moral values? Were moral values irrelevant? Etc.

The leftists say that Neanderthal knuckle dragging haters voted for Bush in order to discredit those who believe in traditional morality. Conservatives who attempt to straddle the moral divide (like Rush sometimes does) say, "No no no, it wasn't "gay" marriage, it was the WOT."

It was both.

Let Scripter AND me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

(I'm baaack - and thinking of doing a new pinglist... about moral absolutes in general, examples of what happens when there aren't any, and general principles involved. Let me know your thoughts, and if you want on such a list. It wouldn't be as busy as this one (I think).)


9 posted on 11/07/2004 7:19:22 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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Disagree. If the social issues really carried the day, and not the issues of the economy and terrorism, then Alan Keyes would be the senator from IL. Bush won because the American public had no confidence in Kerry as the leader of our armed forces as we're engaged in an overseas conflict. Something about the guy having stabbed the military in the back once already.


10 posted on 11/07/2004 7:21:56 AM PST by Melas
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To: NYer

No matter how they try to twist the words of our Lord, they can only come out one way -- the way they were intended.


11 posted on 11/07/2004 7:28:14 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: NYer

We need the Constitutional Amendment on marriage to protect it from Liberal activist judges.


12 posted on 11/07/2004 9:27:18 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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"I also think that the swift boat guys did a WHOLE LOT to damage (S)Kerry's campaign and image."

Personally, I think they won it for George Bush. Without them the president would have lost.

13 posted on 11/07/2004 9:30:13 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Melas

I, too, question whether social issues really carried the day. But since even the Liberals say they did, we should use this belief to our advantage whether they did or not.


14 posted on 11/07/2004 9:33:50 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Melas
I, too, question whether social issues really carried the day. But since even the Liberals say they did, we should use this belief to our advantage whether they did or not.
15 posted on 11/07/2004 9:34:19 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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Support for marriage seen as crucial to Bush's win of second term

How? The President has nothing whatsoever to do with the passage of constitutional amendments. There's no reason for him to get involved.

16 posted on 11/07/2004 10:43:48 AM PST by inquest (We have more people patrolling Bosnia's borders than we have patrolling our own borders)
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To: little jeremiah
The leftists say that Neanderthal knuckle dragging haters voted for Bush in order to discredit those who believe in traditional morality.

Oh, we're the "knuckle draggers"? Seems to me that your knuckles drag more when you are constantly in the bending-over position.

17 posted on 11/07/2004 11:45:05 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Despite all your rage, you are still Democrats in a cage!)
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To: Melas; NYer
Disagree. If the social issues really carried the day, and not the issues of the economy and terrorism, then Alan Keyes would be the senator from IL. Bush won because the American public had no confidence in Kerry as the leader of our armed forces as we're engaged in an overseas conflict. Something about the guy having stabbed the military in the back once already.

There is no question that the economy and terrorism had a big impact, but poll after poll has indicated that moral values were the most important issue in this election. On the other hand, moral values alone won't be enough for Alan Keyes to win any race, due to his authoritarian sense of righteousness and almost confrontational approach, which is most prevalent whenever he speaks, projecting an aura of negativism. Just in a period of a few weeks while campaigning in Illinois, Keyes said Jesus wouldn't vote for Obama. He branded Mary Cheney as a selfish hedonist, and compared Illinois politics to third world despotism.

In a few weeks he had alienated Republicans with his comment about Mary Cheney, got the Illinois political powers mad, and instead of attracting Obama supporters to his side, he made sure to keep them as far away as possible when he told them what Jesus would do.

18 posted on 11/07/2004 11:51:49 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
The '08 election should prove to be a veritable nail biter. Between now and then, the top guns in the DNC, will try to adjust the perception of their images to the public, by attending churches and toting bibles. True christians can see through these shams. The biggest problem, IMHO, will be for the Republicans to come up with a candidate who fits the message so strongly delivered during this election. Already, the name "Rudy Giuliani" is being tossed out there, which makes me cringe. He handled the 9/11 disaster commendably but his value system, as well as that of Schwarzenneger, is more closely aligned to the Dems. Pro-abort! Pro-homosexual union! Pro-embryonic stem cell research!

God has granted this nation 4 more years to work out a solution to these problems. May He have mercy on our collective soul!

19 posted on 11/07/2004 2:20:22 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
"I also think that the swift boat guys did a WHOLE LOT to damage (S)Kerry's campaign and image."
Personally, I think they won it for George Bush. Without them the president would have lost.

We still count on'em, don't we?
They continue to protect us.

20 posted on 11/08/2004 5:51:01 AM PST by starfish923
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