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DEMOCRATS' DILEMMA
The New York Post ^ | November 7, 2004 | George Will

Posted on 11/07/2004 4:19:27 AM PST by stockpirate

Edited on 11/07/2004 4:26:32 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

JOHN Kerry's liberalism had something to do with his defeat. Hence so did this: By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states

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KEYWORDS: election2004; georgewill; kerrydefeat; losers; winners
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To: stockpirate
Perhaps the liberals shouldn't censor Christian art while forcing Christians to pay for a piss Christ and Virgin Mary smeared with dung.

How can they appeal to Christians when they have nothing but contempt and hate for them?

Liberalism is a competing religion.
41 posted on 11/07/2004 9:41:06 AM PST by j.cam
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To: stockpirate
Kerry also counted on the liberal media which obscured his record and attacked Bush for him. Sumner Redstone's Viacom led the fight.
42 posted on 11/07/2004 9:43:05 AM PST by j.cam
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To: prairiebreeze

>>>The media tries to help them by attempting to persuade us that what we are seeing isn't really what it is.<<<

Exactly!

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43 posted on 11/07/2004 9:50:08 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: DugwayDuke

Jesus said to Nicodemus: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God...except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God...ye must be born again." ~ John 3:3,5,7

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44 posted on 11/07/2004 9:56:49 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Jim Noble; edskid; DugwayDuke; prairiebreeze

A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic...or else he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either Jesus was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool...or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that option open to us.

~ C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

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45 posted on 11/07/2004 10:02:11 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Gritty; Graymatter; All

Could someone refresh my memory: Didn't FDR have 3 terms and, if so, how did he do it? Thanks.

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46 posted on 11/07/2004 10:05:31 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Graymatter
Really? Where is the 2008 winner coming from? Inquiring minds want to know!

President Bush will be in office until Jan. 20, 2009.

47 posted on 11/07/2004 10:10:50 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Carolina
>>President Bush will be in office until Jan. 20, 2009.

Let us hope so, but it doesn't account for the statement: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."

44 consecutive (presidential) years, as of 1/20/09, goes back to 1964 and up to 2008. He seems to be anticipating that a Southerner or SoCal native will win in 2008. If he's that prescient, let him narrow it down ;)

48 posted on 11/07/2004 10:32:59 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter
...but it doesn't account for the statement...

He can't do math? It should be 45 consecutive years. 1/20/1964 to 1/20/2009.

49 posted on 11/07/2004 10:37:25 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Graymatter
It should be 45 consecutive years. 1/20/1964 to 1/20/2009.

Ooops. LBJ was sworn in 1/20/1965 after being elected in '64. Are we counting when he was sworn in 11/22/63?

50 posted on 11/07/2004 10:42:47 AM PST by Carolina
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To: viaveritasvita
Didn't FDR have 3 terms and, if so, how did he do it?

Actually, he was elected four times to the Presidency, 1932,1936,1940,1944. He died shortly after his inauguration in 1945.

51 posted on 11/07/2004 10:45:05 AM PST by Gritty ("nobody who campaigns with Ben Affleck at his side has the right to call anybody an idiot-Mark Steyn)
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To: Gritty

Yes, that's right! Do you know how he did it (and can we do it again)!? Wasn't there some special arrangement made because of WWII...or something?

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52 posted on 11/07/2004 10:58:29 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: viaveritasvita

I believe that was before term limits were put in place.

Prairie


53 posted on 11/07/2004 11:06:53 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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To: Carolina

I guess we are just reading differently, not so much counting differently. As I read it, if he goes up to Jan. 20, 2009 to make his point about 44 years, then he needs the winner of 2008 to make his point; and without that winner he's out on a limb. Why not just say that on Election Eve 2008 there will have been 44 years...? If he likes that number so much. It's a quiddity and I kind of wish I hadn't brought it up :)


54 posted on 11/07/2004 11:08:05 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: prairiebreeze

Oh dadgummital! *SIGH* It was a nice dream, tho short-lived.

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55 posted on 11/07/2004 11:10:24 AM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: viaveritasvita

"Jesus said to Nicodemus: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God...except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God...ye must be born again." ~ John 3:3,5,7"

I suspect a good many of the liberal 'Christians' believe that good works will get them into heaven. You can hear it when they talk about gay marraiges.


56 posted on 11/07/2004 5:23:17 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke

>>>I suspect a good many of the liberal 'Christians' believe that good works will get them into heaven.<<<


You said it. I'm also amazed that some think it's Jesus plus [fill in the blank]. As if Christ's work on the cross and the power of His name are not quite enough. It's as if they're hedging their bets or something!

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57 posted on 11/07/2004 5:41:21 PM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: viaveritasvita

I don't know if I would call it hedging. It's like they want to cherry pick the scriptures, adhering to those they personally agree with and ignoring those they find inconvienient wanting to define good in their own terms. But they fail to realize that they are applying the world's standards to judge goodness.

This goes to the essence of liberalism, they want to re-make the world, including the rules, according to their own preferences, not God's. They don't even realize that this is the same mistake that Adam made thinking that he too could become God.


58 posted on 11/07/2004 5:59:56 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke

>>>This goes to the essence of liberalism, they want to re-make the world, including the rules, according to their own preferences, not God's.<<<


Change agents for utopianism.


>>>They don't even realize that this is the same mistake that Adam made thinking that he too could become God.<<<


Some ideas from "His Infernal Majesty: Satan's 10 Most Believable Lies," by Dave Breese, including my 2 cents....

Satan still whispers to us as he did to Eve: "Did God REALLY say?" Casting doubt on the Truth of God's Word. One can almost imagine Satan saying it in a mocking, don't-be-a-silly-goose tone of voice (a tone of voice I've heard from more than one leftie). Satan establishes a foothold in Eve's mind -- i.e. God is a liar. Satan indirectly suggests that, since God's word isn't Truth, then maybe there's another system of Truth. The subtle suggestion is that Truth can be redefined. The question that has haunted us from the beginning "What is Truth?" started here. So did the false idea of an alternative belief system.

Here's the next lure, securing Satan's position in Eve's mind: "God doesn't want you to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He doesn't want your eyes to be opened, knowing good and evil, because then you would be as God." Satan is suggesting that God is holding us back, that Eve can take matters into her own hands and direct her own destiny once she has the knowledge that God is withholding, and that eating the fruit and obtaining its pleasure/knowledge now (instant gratification) is preferable to an eternity with God. These things are implied "benefits" to eating the forbidden fruit.

In the Garden, there was one prohibition against hundreds of permissions, pleasures and positives, but Satan pushes the idea that God is a moral tyrant who cannot be pleased.

Duke, there was a time when I would have thot all this stuff about Satan was complete hogwash, hocus pocus. But, now I look around at literally the same evil tactics and strategies that have the same results as it has from day one and throughout history, and I know that this is Truth. Show me a more plausible explanation.

Thanks for listening, kiddo.

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59 posted on 11/07/2004 6:50:47 PM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: viaveritasvita

"In the Garden, there was one prohibition against hundreds of permissions, pleasures and positives, but Satan pushes the idea that God is a moral tyrant who cannot be pleased."

I don't think that Satan ever said: "God is a moral tyrant who cannot be pleased." It's more like Satan said that you don't have to please God after you become god yourself. IOW, why bother pleasing God when you can please yourself, satisfying all your whims and desires. It's the belief that you can be the master of the universe and not have to acknowledge that there is one greater than yourself.

"Duke, there was a time when I would have thot all this stuff about Satan was complete hogwash, hocus pocus. But, now I look around at literally the same evil tactics and strategies that have the same results as it has from day one and throughout history, and I know that this is Truth. Show me a more plausible explanation."

I too, was young once. Perhaps that's why I cannot offer a more plausible explanation. I understand that admitting God's sovereignity can be a stumbling block.

"Thanks for listening, kiddo."

Any time.


60 posted on 11/07/2004 6:59:55 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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