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To: NoClones

What is your solution, kill billions? You better hope this debate is successful.

This seems to me like the Renaissance or the Reformation.
Islam is changing. The fundamentalists are unhappy about that.


64 posted on 11/06/2004 2:04:33 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple
Islam is changing. The fundamentalists are unhappy about that.

There is still the problem with the Koran no matter who actually wrote the thing -- whether it was Mohammad or one of his lackeys. It's clear on it's instructions --- kill all the Jews, Jews are monkeys and dogs, kill the Christians, kill those who try to convert into another religion or who criticize Islam in any way. Muslims are instructed by the Koran that they are never to live among the infidels without the intention of conquering them. There can be no peace until the whole world is forced into submission.

Islam could be reformed but it needs a new prophet and a heavily edited Koran. Following Mohammad can only lead the follower into violence because Mohammad was a violent man. Following Jesus or Abraham is different because they lived lives of peace.

74 posted on 11/06/2004 2:34:40 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Snapple
Islam is changing.

Islam is not somebody's opinion. Islam is Qur'an and hadith. To say 'Islam is changing' is to utter an absurdity. The problem is not individual Muslims. The problem is Islam itself which is the fountainhead of a continual stream of extremism because of what its basic scriptures say.

Why have you ignored the quotations I listed? Why do you not take these to your 'friends' for explanation? How would you expect 'Muslims' who do not take Qur'an and hadith seriously to be taken seriously by other Muslims who live it in the heart of Islam? What reaction would those 'Muslim friends' have if you questioned Islam to their faces, would they remain friendly or would you see a sudden and ominous change in their demeanor?

I am neither bloodthirty nor willing to accept platitudes and obfuscations for answers. But there are clear contradictions between 'moderation' and the Hitlerian rants in Muslim scriptures. And if you have not heard these before, could it be that you have been misled?

This seems to me like the Renaissance or the Reformation.

The Protestant Reformation was a rejection of traditions outside scripture. Therefore to understand what a Muslim Reformation would entail, one must go to the Muslim scriptures. What I find is that Wahhabist extremism IS the Muslim 'Reformation' after three centuries of indolence.
78 posted on 11/06/2004 3:47:05 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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