Posted on 11/05/2004 3:02:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Dingdingdingdingding! And we have ourselves a WINNAH -- ! :)
I'd suggest that the "moral" issue that turned up in the polls rules out a liberal candidate like Kerry. Liberals have waged war on morals for half a century. It's a bit late for a liberal to claim to be an altar boy.
this is not where George Bush earned his support. And to say that it is plays into liberal propaganda that we are all nuts and bigots.I think you're right about this. The RAT press is going to say that this is all about bigotry and nothing else.
Horowitz is wrong on this. Civil unions might be a dangerous compromise as it still undermines the moral social fabric which supports our culture. Because what it is saying is, if one wants to engage in taboo behavior, one will still be afforded the rights extended by the culture to those who refrain from taboo behavior. What is implied is that the taboo behavior is a private matter but one which is entitled to public endorsement. Once extended, why shouldn't incestuous couples, bigamists and so on enjoy the same civil union? By logical extension of this argument they should. V's wife.
I listened to NPR coverage the day after the election. I think what is finally sinking in with some of them is that the people they consider "nuts and bigots" are actually the majority of Americans, and the "enlightened ones" aren't nearly as mainstream as they thought they were.
They kept going on about how the major issue cited in the election was "moral issues", and those who attended church regularly were more likely to vote Republican, and those who didn't more likely to vote Democratic.
I couldn't agree more!
"My instinct is that the gay marriage issue is not particularly compelling to most people. Of course they're opposed -- it's a no-brainer -- but it's not a hot button issue. Besides, it was only on the ballot in eleven states. Pax, Mr. Horowitz, but this is not where George Bush earned his support. And to say that it is plays into liberal propaganda that we are all nuts and bigots."
I respectfully disagree. Ann Coulter, too, has identified the gay marriage issue as fundamental to the "morals" component of this election. Its common knowledge now that moral concerns outpolled the War as the main issue for most voters. I think people were concerned that the national gay marriage movement would eventually trump any local laws that might be enacted. They feared the Supreme Court would make it happen regardless of what they preferred.
I also think another component of the morals issue was the way in which the Democrats conducted this campaign. The mendacity, charlatanism, cowardice, and outright viciousness exhibited by the left was way beyond anything ever experienced before. They pulled out all the stops! And the majority of decent people were appalled and determined to register their displeasure. I know I was.
Horowitz is absolutely right: whatever woes the homosexuals have suffered from this election will have been completely self-inflicted.
Americans aren't a callow and unreasoning people. Public opinion in this country has shown tolerance for consenting adults who wish to live their lives as homosexuals. But instead of accepting the toleration of mainstream America, the gays have seized the proferred hand, torn off the arm, and beaten us over the head with it.
You both hit the nail on the head- that's exactly how the various Chattering Heads and Politicos are trying to spin this. It's a great base-mobilizer for them, for one thing I have noted over the years is the Left's loathing of any group they perceive as "telling them what they ought not to do."
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Can't you just imagine how may Bush voters were sent to the polls after seeing this?
Demanding our children be taught about homosexuality in kindergarten is unacceptable.
Throwing condoms into St. Patrick's Church is unacceptable.
Stripping naked in front of St. Patrick's Church is unacceptable.
Gay Pride parades glorifying every depravity imaginable is not acceptable.
Practicing unsafe sex and then demanding the taxpayer pay for the resultant health issues is not acceptable.
That star-studded debacle in New York with Kerry, Whoopi Goldberg that the rest of the Hollywood naval gazers didn't help.
Kerry statment that Hollywood was the epitome of America's values was just...wrong.
Bush got his support from many quarters but he did get a lot of support from people opposed to gay marriage - and holding that position does not make one a nut or a bigot.
The war on terror is but another moral position, along with the sanctity of marriage, that so rankles the left. Give them time and they'll see they are in the minority on that, just as they are on the wot.
Yet they're so go at telling everyone else how to live.
Bump!!
But, the "gay pride" types don't just want tolerance and a live and let live attitude. They appear to want social superiority, the ability to claim "discrimination" at whim, as we often see in affirmative action cases.
Many of the activists actually claim moral superiority over the "breeders".
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