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Why They Won
NY Times ^ | November 5, 2004 | THOMAS FRANK

Posted on 11/04/2004 10:36:52 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Texas_Jarhead
I liked this one:

Like many such movements, this long-running conservative revolt is rife with contradictions.

Contradictions, huh? I guess he means like the party of "peace" and "tolerance" ripping up our signs, making three year-olds cry, shooting into campaign headquarters of the opposition, slashing tires on GOP GOTV vans...stuff like that.

21 posted on 11/04/2004 11:03:27 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Thank you, Lord.)
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To: neverdem

I started to read it, but then blah, blah, blah, blah...same old 'they don't care about the poor type crap. Welfare Reform worked wonders. English only works here in CA and passed by a larger number...and this is a BLUE state. We care, we just don't coddle.


22 posted on 11/04/2004 11:06:13 PM PST by madison46 (Would Dems in 1904 be running on ideas from 1835? That's what they do now.)
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To: ProudVet77

This guy says this? After listening to Michael Moore screeh and holler for all this time? After listening to people compare Bush to Hitler, or much worse?

Clueless doesn't begin to describe this guy. Democrats have definitely mastered the Orwellian concept of "doublethink".


23 posted on 11/04/2004 11:06:32 PM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: neverdem
.......accused liberals of twisting the news. In nearly every election since, liberalism has been vilified as a flag-burning, treason-coddling, upper-class affectation......

Duh! Gee! I wonder why........
Could it possibly be 'coz it's true?

24 posted on 11/04/2004 11:09:56 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: neverdem
I love these examples of "analysis" that are actually PERFECT examples of the blindness that afflicts the analyzed.
25 posted on 11/04/2004 11:12:43 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: neverdem

Well whaddya know, it's the big "genius" that everyone says is so ingenious. He used to edit a snotty pamphlet named The Baffler I think (like a very grad-studentish version of Harper's). The liberal affirmative action for this hack is really beginning to grate

And as for the tired "those damned Republican hicks VOTE AGAINST THEIR ECONOMIC SELF-INTEREST", which is being trotted out repeatedly as if it were a sterling insight--aren't Barbra Streisand and George Soros "voting against their economic interest?" Remind me what again is so perceptive about this theme


26 posted on 11/04/2004 11:14:35 PM PST by ash-housewares
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To: neverdem
It is an uprising of the common people whose long-term economic effect has been to shower riches upon the already wealthy and degrade the lives of the very people who are rising up.

This guy is a dildope. The "wealthy" get there by providing opportunities and jobs for workers who spend their $$$ (which creates jobs and opportunities for others, etc., etc.).

You don't help the boxcars and cabooses by putting obstacles in the way of the engines....

27 posted on 11/04/2004 11:15:39 PM PST by freebilly (freebillus est freeperus bonus....)
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To: neverdem
The headline says it all...."Why They Won"

In the eyes of the NYT, a newspaper, we are "They""!

As in - those other people; those imbicles, the unwashed, fly-over folks......They!

28 posted on 11/04/2004 11:17:14 PM PST by HardStarboard (Surrounded by Kerry/Edwards Signs in Washington State)
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To: neverdem
the continuing power of the culture wars

A perspective lost on many here sadly.

29 posted on 11/04/2004 11:17:32 PM PST by wardaddy (The only thing we share with collectivists and ragheads is death.)
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To: neverdem
I didn’t want to spend too much time on this, so some of the lowest hanging fruit:

Meanwhile, out in Red America, the right-wing populist revolt continues apace, its fury at the "liberal elite" undiminished by the Democrats' conciliatory gestures or the passage of time.

Sorry Thomas, even as dumb you think we are “conciliatory gestures” just aren't going to make us vote for you.

Yet this would have been a perfect year to give the Republicans a Trumanesque spanking for the many corporate scandals that they have countenanced and, in some ways, enabled.

Ah yes Enron; the corruption and thievery started and flourished during the Democrat Clinton administration and was uncovered and prosecuted during the Republican Bush administration. When Enron ran into trouble who did they go to? Clinton’s former man at Treasury, Democrat Robert Rubin, who did make calls on Enron’s behalf to the now Bush Treasury department, trouble was Bush’s guys told Rubin NO! Thomas, explain to me again how President Bush and the Republicans are to blame here.

What is more likely, of course, is that Democratic officialdom will simply see this week's disaster as a reason to redouble their efforts to move to the right.

John Kerry is universally rated the most liberal person in the US Senate and Thomas Frank thinks that running Kerry for the Presidency is moving to the right? Just how far left is Thomas Frank?

30 posted on 11/04/2004 11:20:37 PM PST by RJL
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To: neverdem

Is anybody going to buy the "haves vs. have-nots" argument anymore as it applies to US?

This country is becoming "haves vs. have-mores". And that's a good thing.


31 posted on 11/04/2004 11:23:05 PM PST by RGT (We are a tribe of pygmies. You are a women's track team.)
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To: neverdem

Not a mention of Michael Moore's lies. Or other media highjinks so biased the average non-political types are seeing it, with disgust.

Clearly the BEST outcome for Republicans is for the democrats to listen to pundits like this.

He's essentially arguing for income redistribution, etc. while home ownership sets new records.

Insanity is "doing the same thing, over and over, expecting different results."

I truly hope the democrats remain insane. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry one term Carter.

Credit has to go to Bill Clinton, who is one top notch politician (in spite of his deeply flawed character). He is much smarter than these others.

He basically got a second term, by enacting several parts of the Republican program. Welfare reform, balanced budget, etc.


32 posted on 11/04/2004 11:24:04 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: elizabetty

The red states embrace "... a revolution that plans to overthrow the aristocrats by cutting their taxes."

The author needs to buy a clue. We don't subscribe to the Marxist agenda of redistribution of wealth. The 'aristocracy' does not need to be overthrown. Money and status are not static in this country. Most of us work for these 'aristocrats' and some of us may even be smart enough, work hard enough, be focused enough, and have enough luck to join them. It's the American way.


33 posted on 11/04/2004 11:39:39 PM PST by Sodbuster
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To: wardaddy
"the continuing power of the culture wars"

"A perspective lost on many here sadly."

Who do you think lost that perspective, if you please? I'm curious, and I usually enjoy your perspective.

34 posted on 11/04/2004 11:49:23 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

"while his vice president, Spiro Agnew, accused liberals of twisting the news"

HAHAHAHA! Agnew gave one of the greatest speeches in the 20th Century on this issue and obviously prophetic!

Thank God for a President that sticks to his guns and withstood the relentless attack from the MSM for the past four years.

AND:

Thank God for Free Republic, Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, Hannity, Laura Ingrahm (yeah!) Ann Colter (yeah, yeah!) and the conservative bloggers that are pounding underfoot the MSM into the dirt that they are, soon to be swept into the dustbin of history!

Blessings, bobo


35 posted on 11/05/2004 12:04:16 AM PST by bobo1
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To: neverdem

What a bozo. He suggests a sharp left turn for the Democratic party. WRONG!!!!


36 posted on 11/05/2004 12:18:21 AM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: BunnySlippers

I want them to take a big left turn. And then another one. And then another one...

And into infinity they go.

The more insanely leftist, immoral, psychotic-with-rage they get, the happier I be.

Heheheh.

What a good day, what a good week.

Liberalism really is a serious mental illness.


37 posted on 11/05/2004 12:27:37 AM PST by little jeremiah (Help elect a REAL, COURAGEOUS conservative to Congress - www.mikegabbard.com)
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To: neverdem
Yet this would have been a perfect year to give the Republicans a Trumanesque spanking for the many corporate scandals that they have countenanced and, in some ways, enabled.

Except that all the big name corporate scandals like Enron and Global Crossing took place on Clinton's watch, and had to be cleaned up by Bush's prosecutors.

-ccm

38 posted on 11/05/2004 12:53:49 AM PST by ccmay
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To: neverdem
Yet this would have been a perfect year to give the Republicans a Trumanesque spanking for the many corporate scandals that they have countenanced and, in some ways, enabled.

This writer is an idiot. Bush, not Kerry is the modern-day Truman this year!

39 posted on 11/05/2004 3:59:10 AM PST by NYCVirago
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