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Two Nations Under God
NY Times ^ | 11/4/04 | Thomas Friedman

Posted on 11/04/2004 7:44:03 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Well, as Grandma used to say, at least I still have my health. ...

I often begin writing columns by interviewing myself. I did that yesterday, asking myself this: Why didn't I feel totally depressed after George H. W. Bush defeated Michael Dukakis, or even when George W. Bush defeated Al Gore? Why did I wake up feeling deeply troubled yesterday?

Answer: whatever differences I felt with the elder Bush were over what was the right policy. There was much he ultimately did that I ended up admiring. And when George W. Bush was elected four years ago on a platform of compassionate conservatism, after running from the middle, I assumed the same would be true with him. (Wrong.) But what troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for George Bush by people who don't just favor different policies than I do - they favor a whole different kind of America. We don't just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is.

Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?

At one level this election was about nothing. None of the real problems facing the nation were really discussed. But at another level, without warning, it actually became about everything. Partly that happened because so many Supreme Court seats are at stake, and partly because Mr. Bush's base is pushing so hard to legislate social issues and extend the boundaries of religion that it felt as if we were rewriting the Constitution, not electing a president. I felt as if I registered to vote, but when I showed up the Constitutional Convention broke out.

The election results reaffirmed that. Despite an utterly incompetent war performance in Iraq and a stagnant economy, Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed as if they were voting for what team they were on.

This was not an election. This was station identification. I'd bet anything that if the election ballots hadn't had the names Bush and Kerry on them but simply asked instead, "Do you watch Fox TV or read The New York Times?" the Electoral College would have broken the exact same way.

My problem with the Christian fundamentalists supporting Mr. Bush is not their spiritual energy or the fact that I am of a different faith. It is the way in which he and they have used that religious energy to promote divisions and intolerance at home and abroad. I respect that moral energy, but wish that Democrats could find a way to tap it for different ends.

"The Democrats have ceded to Republicans a monopoly on the moral and spiritual sources of American politics," noted the Harvard University political theorist Michael J. Sandel. "They will not recover as a party until they again have candidates who can speak to those moral and spiritual yearnings - but turn them to progressive purposes in domestic policy and foreign affairs."

I've always had a simple motto when it comes to politics: Never put yourself in a position where your party wins only if your country fails. This column will absolutely not be rooting for George Bush to fail so Democrats can make a comeback. If the Democrats make a comeback, it must not be by default, because the country has lapsed into a total mess, but because they have nominated a candidate who can win with a positive message that connects with America's heartland.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of talk that Mr. Bush has a mandate for his far right policies. Yes, he does have a mandate, but he also has a date - a date with history. If Mr. Bush can salvage the war in Iraq, forge a solution for dealing with our entitlements crisis - which can be done only with a bipartisan approach and a more sane fiscal policy - upgrade America's competitiveness, prevent Iran from going nuclear and produce a solution for our energy crunch, history will say that he used his mandate to lead to great effect. If he pushes for still more tax cuts and fails to solve our real problems, his date with history will be a very unpleasant one - no matter what mandate he has.


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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?"

No, to all the above.


41 posted on 11/04/2004 8:28:21 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I like reading Thomas Friedman. I felt he made the best case (in the MSM) for our invasion of Iraq. He has also written on the link between outsourcing jobs and increasing foreign demand for American goods. He's what I would call an honest liberal, you know where he stands and he isn't shy about letting his partisan leanings known.


42 posted on 11/04/2004 8:31:49 PM PST by eagle11 (Men are not really against you........they are merely for themselves.)
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To: hlmencken3

Amen to that. That was my first thought.


43 posted on 11/04/2004 8:33:10 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The left hates Christians who actually beleive. The assualt on evangelicals will be intense over the next two years.


44 posted on 11/04/2004 8:33:34 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

>Two Nations Under One God<

Perhaps Mr. Friedman should have titled his piece "One
Nation Under Two Gods"

Jesus said to love God with all your heart, and all your mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. That isn't devisive. That is the Christian God. Jesus didn't say we must agree with something we think is wrong. And He didn't mean we shouldn't fight for what is right.


45 posted on 11/04/2004 8:36:03 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Talk is cheap. Action is not. The Democrats need to start by showing respect for religious people, instead of treating them as stupid redneck hicks. They need to understand that just because science allows us to do something doesn't make it right. And just because people's sense of what is right and wrong may be based their faith doesn't mean their judgment ought not to be enacted into law. That you can't force your radical liberal agenda down people's throats through the courts. And you need to understand the past in order to govern for the future.


46 posted on 11/04/2004 8:39:17 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed as if they were voting for what team they were on.

Yep, that sounds about right. Hey, Fried-brain, too bad, your team is a looooooooooooser!

47 posted on 11/04/2004 9:04:01 PM PST by bastantebueno55 (Viva Jorge W Arbusto!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Gee, and Demonrats claimed to have a lock on representing Main Stream America....cluless.


48 posted on 11/04/2004 9:08:23 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Paul Atreides

"It is the way in which he and they have used that religious energy to promote divisions and intolerance at home and abroad."

They are just so angry that people of faith have finally stood up to THEIR promotion of moral divisions ... why do we have to tolerate abortion, homosexual marriage, children having sex, pornography passing as tv advertising, etc., etc., etc. ? Some things just shouldn't be tolerated, period.

Oh, and I DO watch Fox News .. long since cancelled my subscription to the NYT.


49 posted on 11/04/2004 9:09:11 PM PST by EDINVA (a FReeper in PJ's beats a CBS anchor in a suit every time)
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To: wildcatf4f3
The reporter seeing this said, "Yes its an American bomber and hes circling to show everyone that he means no harm and look, look, they are dropping fireworks to celebrate their arrival".

LOL!! Some Marine should have nudged him and said, "No, the plane's just going potty."

50 posted on 11/04/2004 9:10:44 PM PST by wizardoz (Au revoir, Jean Kerry!!)
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To: hlmencken3
Actually, just ONE of two nations is "under G-d". The other is careful to keep G-d out.

Or if you want to get a bit closer to the truth, "One Nation Under God," and "the other one under nothing." Some would say for the latter "Satan" as well. Still this guy seems to "get it" to the point that there are two distinct views that are more or less diametrically opposed.
51 posted on 11/04/2004 9:12:22 PM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I recommend a permanent personal secession to an island, fah, fah away where no one knows he's from the revived America.


52 posted on 11/04/2004 9:15:05 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Reading this I feel a sense of vertigo as if I had walked into a room with a person it it who spent his whole life living upside down - hanging from the ceiling.

What we think is good, they think is bad - what they think is good, we think is bad.


Heh, it's like that Star Trek episode, "Mirror, Mirror" where Kirk and Co. end up in a parallel universe where they see the evil versions of their crew including a goateed Spock. In our case, both world exist on the same plane or country if you will. When I see those people who think "bad is good," I feel like an alien in that world. For a while, if Kerry had one, I would even feel more like an alien. Still I'm glad President Bush won, at least we have an upper hand, but we might end up having a clash with them in the future.

I just had a nightmare thought, what if there are evil goateed versions of ourselves at DU, perish the thought. B-)
53 posted on 11/04/2004 9:18:53 PM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Democrats thought there were "two Americas" in 1860 as well...some things never change.


54 posted on 11/04/2004 9:44:42 PM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Thanks for taking the time to write that response wildcatf4f3. I really enjoyed it. I feel *exactly* the same way!


55 posted on 11/05/2004 9:41:20 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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