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Final Just the Facts: Memo from Matthew Dowd
George W. Bush ^
| November 4, 2004
Posted on 11/04/2004 1:20:56 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RobRoy
go to your FR homepage.
select the option "links"
a hotlink+URL list of all the FR bookmarks you have made will appear
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posted on
11/04/2004 2:21:12 PM PST
by
King Prout
("We've found more WMDs in Iraq than we've found disenfranchised blacks in Florida." - Ann Coulter)
To: GeorgeW23225
I am eternally grateful that Bush won. I said many prayers.
That being said, I think what most liberals refer to is not so much the county map, but the population numbers. They say Kerry carried several large cities, New York, LA, etc. where lots of people live.
So their argument is... even though the map is mostly red, a lot of those counties don't have many people living in them.
Again, I'm just repeating their argument...I voted for Bush!!
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posted on
11/04/2004 2:31:11 PM PST
by
Cedar
To: King Prout
>>go to your FR homepage.
select the option "links"
a hotlink+URL list of all the FR bookmarks you have made will appear<<
You would think so, but nope. Only "some" do. The one correlation I noticed was the one I mentioned in my previous post.
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posted on
11/04/2004 2:36:19 PM PST
by
RobRoy
(You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
To: Cedar
Well, if that is true, how come President Bush has 59,100,000 votes and sKerry has 55,000.000 ?? It seems to me that there really are people living in those counties.
Besides, take our 2 largest States (New York and California) and count their votes for sKerry. Then take Georgia and Texas, and count their votes for President Bush.
Guess what??? We win!!
Liberals AWAYS have an excuse for their shortcomings. I, however, always have the truth to confront them with!!
I am a "thorn" in a liberal butt!!! :-)
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posted on
11/04/2004 2:46:55 PM PST
by
GeorgeW23225
(Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
To: RWR8189
Michael Moore will have to Greyhound.
Ops4 God BLess America!
25
posted on
11/04/2004 2:48:17 PM PST
by
OPS4
(worth repeating)
To: Cedar
I forgot something. The 83% of the counties WON by President Bush has a higher population than the 17% that sKerry won.
Actually, by many, MANY millions of people.
Also......less crime per capita !! :-)
I just love exploding liberal lies and myths!!
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posted on
11/04/2004 2:50:55 PM PST
by
GeorgeW23225
(Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
To: scottinoc
The only reason Clinton won his first term was because of Ross Perot.
To: RobRoy
hrmn... odd. mine works just fine.
maybe you have...
could it be...?
GREMLINS!
28
posted on
11/04/2004 3:13:34 PM PST
by
King Prout
("We've found more WMDs in Iraq than we've found disenfranchised blacks in Florida." - Ann Coulter)
To: StJacques
Carter did not win a majority of the popular vote in 1976, I'm pretty sure. I think Johnson in 1964 was the last Dem to do it. May be wrong, though.
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posted on
11/04/2004 3:55:28 PM PST
by
Agrarian
To: GeorgeW23225
I don't think it's a secret: a series of surveys were done by volunteers starting last winter that contacted people, narrowing them from affiliation to issue and from unreliable to reliable. There were some repetitions of the surveys with an increasingly targeted population for each one. By the end, we knew who, where, what issue and how strong the support. Then, we got them to the polls.
Standard DB management tools were used at the grassroots level. What they did at the top levels, I don't know, but I fantasize computerized maps with every head counted and every issue/degree of support charted.
Anyone who worked at the grassroots phone level from February--November 2 knows this information.
To: Battle Axe
You noticed that, didn't you?
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posted on
11/04/2004 6:52:39 PM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: reformedliberal
Thanks. Very interesting. Although it isn't a secret, I guess we just do it better than the democRats!! :-)
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posted on
11/04/2004 7:08:35 PM PST
by
GeorgeW23225
(Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
To: mrs9x
...Dowd's numbers showed a 51-48 in favor of Bush for undecideds. Undecideds are a myth.
To: planekT
...Another myth is that Clinton never won a majority "because of Ross Perot"...
Man, I had not heard that one. That's exactly backwards. Conservatives went for Perot, not liberals. Bush 41 would have been reelected handily.
John Scott and the White House reporter on Fox were stating exactly that prior to the Presidents news conference today. First I heard of it. Maybe they get their talking points from the DNC these days.
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posted on
11/04/2004 7:20:06 PM PST
by
dmartin
(Who Dares Wins)
To: GeorgeW23225
They are too busy implying that Rove has supernatural powers to control the universe!
I came away from the campaign experience realizing that our guys are all anal-retentive number crunchers. It was the thoroughness, the mind-numbing attention to minutia, the hierarchical organization that won this. It is one thing to GOTV. It is something else to know exactly which vote you need to make sure to get out.
Not to mention that they began lining up volunteers in the late winter of 2003. At every event, every rally and on the website there were efforts to sign up volunteers. In fact, our first survey was of those who signed up to winnow them down to those willing to phone. Sometime in September, IIRC, we were told via conference call that the campaign was sending us names of fresh volunteers who signed up via the website.
At the very end, counties that really needed a last push got a team of crack GOTV operatives from DC. These were college-age kids who had extensive campaign experience. The organized the volunteers to a finer degree. Some of ours were obsessed with the size of the win they wanted from our area.
Being Republicans, everyone had a great work ethic, too.
To: Agrarian
"Carter did not win a majority of the popular vote in 1976, I'm pretty sure. I think Johnson in 1964 was the last Dem to do it. May be wrong, though."
I actually checked to make certain before I made the post. In 1976 Jimmy Carter received 50.1% of the total vote, which is a "popular majority," but only just so.
Presidential Vote in 1976
Presidential Candidate |
Electoral Vote |
Popular Vote |
Pct |
Party
|
Running Mate (Electoral Votes) |
James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. of Georgia (W) |
297 |
40,825,839 |
50.1% |
Democrat |
Walter Frederick Mondale of Minnesota (297) |
Gerald Rudolph Ford, Jr. of Michigan |
240 |
39,147,770 |
48.0% |
Republican |
Robert Joseph Dole of Kansas (241) |
Ronald Wilson Reagan of California |
1 |
(not running) |
- |
Republican |
(1) |
Eugene J. McCarthy of Minnesota |
0 |
756,691 |
0.9% |
(Independent) |
|
Roger MacBride of Vermont |
0 |
173,011 |
0.2% |
Libertarian |
David Bergland |
Lester Maddox of Georgia |
0 |
170,531 |
0.2% |
American Independent |
William D. Dyke |
Thomas J Anderson |
0 |
160,773 |
0.2% |
American |
|
Other |
0 |
321,274 |
0.4% |
|
Total |
538 |
81,555,889 |
100.0% |
|
You can "pop up" the following web page to find this information at:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/U.S.-presidential-election,-1976
To: RWR8189
"The Democrats 4-point advantage in 2000 evaporated, with Republicans and Democrats both at 37% of the electorate in 2004."![](http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/224/224535/folders/164132/1273085USA-09.gif)
The Democrats' have progressively lost voter participation percentage points in each successive Presidential election. There was a time back in the 1930's where there were more than 70% of American voters registered as Democrats. Now they turn out a mere 37% (remember that figure when checking poll # internals in 2006), finally matched by Republicans.
Moreover, the *new* voters in this election will see decidedly different behavior in their futures based upon who they voted for.
Americans love winners, after all, so the new voters who voted Republican in 2004 will be more motivated to vote Republican in future elections.
The opposite is the case for the new voters who went for the losing Democratic Party.
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posted on
11/04/2004 7:50:26 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: StJacques
1992 = 44,908,254
1996 = 47,402,357
92,310,611 = Total votes for WJ Clinton
2000 = 50,456,002
2004 = 59,100,000*
109,556,002 = Total votes counted so far for GW Bush
So who is the most popular President in history?!
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posted on
11/04/2004 7:57:29 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: GeorgeW23225
Thanks for the info. It helps to know.
Would be interesting also to know the actual numbers for comparison of the population in the 83% counties vs. 17% counties.
And maybe also the actual numbers of registered voters in each group, and comparison of numbers of those who actually voted.
(getting more complex, but would be interesting--I'm needing a statistician)
39
posted on
11/04/2004 8:16:54 PM PST
by
Cedar
To: reformedliberal
It was an amazing effort!!
The results were well worth the effort.
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posted on
11/05/2004 5:39:56 AM PST
by
GeorgeW23225
(Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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