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To: LogicWings
You have no evidence at all that anything, anything at all, is "infinite, and therefore, always was and always will be" because in order to have this evidence you would have to be "infinite, and therefore, always existing and always will be" in order to gather enough evidence to prove and validate the premise. There is simply no way you can know this.

I have God's Word, and therefor I do know this. If nothing is infinite, then what creates the limits?

Begs the Question that you 'know' that God created time. There is no way you can know this. Where and how did you gain this knowledge? Assertion Without Proof.

I know that God is the Creator of the universe, which by definition must include time. Once again, I gained this knowledge from the Bible.

Again, how do you know this? The Universe "appears" to have had a beginning, but you cannot "know" this. Assertion Without Proof. Best Supposition, at best.

I do see a lot of scientists who are trying to advance theories on the origins of the universe. I can read my Bible, which tells me that God created the heavens and the earth, and I know that covers most everything in the universe.

The question remains, if everything had a first cause, what was the first cause for God? Otherwise, everything didn't have a first cause, (because God didn't) and why choose God as not having a first cause rather than the Universe?

Now you are making suppositions. Why is it not believable that God didn't have a first cause, but everything else did? I choose God as not having a first cause because He tells me so in His word to us. I can also reason that an infinite God can create a universe that is finite.

Faulty logic.

Faith
58 posted on 11/06/2004 3:31:04 AM PST by jpw01 (Freep the world!)
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To: jpw01
I know that God is the Creator of the universe, which by definition must include time. Once again, I gained this knowledge from the Bible.

How do you know that the Bible is accurate.

How do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is accurate?
59 posted on 11/06/2004 7:15:26 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: jpw01
Now you are making suppositions.

Assertion Without Proof. The premise was, "everything has a First Cause."

Why is it not believable that God didn't have a first cause, but everything else did?

Because it invalidates the first premise.

Science isn't about believing or 'not believing' anything, but experience and evidence.

He tells me so in His word . . .

I had written a bunch of stuff and bailed the third or fourth time you used this argument. Fallacy of Appeal to Authority. You don't know it's "His Word" - only that it is claimed to be. Fallacy of Reification for word "Word."


292 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:50 PM PST by LogicWings
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