[AMDG&BVMH]

These responses sound exactly like a woman betrayed. I.E. a man-hating woman betrayed, or thinks she is betrayed because she has been hurt before and is just looking for it to happen and be verified from any and every corner . . .

[blondee123]

From DU:

liberalpragmatist (xxx posts)	Wed Nov-03-04 05:47 PM Original message
Democrats MUST Take back "Values"

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 05:53 PM by liberalpragmatist

Clearly, we can't move to the right socially. What we are going to have to do is stress "true compassion" and "true American values." True compassion means zealously arguing the American-ness of tolerance and acceptance. True American values means stressing patriotism, individual liberty, and fairness - those are the values that fueled the American Revolution. Basically, what I'm saying is that we can't win unless we make a dent in those voting on morals and values. We should continue to be tolerant to religion, but realistically, we're not going to take a majority of evangelical votes b/c we don't have that cultural intolernace. We can't abandon our positions on gay rights, civil rights, women's rights. What we need therefore is to stress Patriotism and American-ness. I know it sounds jingoistic, but reclaiming the flag for the left could go a long way to winning over independents and at least enough "values"-oriented voters to win.

 

 

Sara Beverley (xxx posts)	Wed Nov-03-04 05:56 PM Response to Original message
4. You mean we must become hypocrites? Like the RW funddies.

They "use" values. Look at their lives and what they do and how they treat other people. They are not Chrisitians. They accept a liar in the WH, cheating, corporate thieves, baby killers (as long as they don't kill fetuses), they don't love their neighbors only if they look like them. These are the people who not long ago were supporting the killers of little girls in a church for God's sake. What do you mean we must take back "values." We never gave them up!

 

liberalpragmatist (xxx posts)	Wed Nov-03-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #4
5. But nobody believes us

Of course we're more moral about the other side! What's moral about ANYTHING the right has ever done?! but that's not the point - american aren't seeing it. We have to stress how WE are the true patriots, we're the ones standing up for true american values. We aren't doing that. We're assuming people will see that for themselves, and they're not. We can't win unless we do better among people for whom "values" is the big thing.