[tpaine]

Have you two realized that you've now progressed to the point where you are arguing ~against~ your own individual right to keep & bear arms?

You're claiming that States like Mass/CA, -- or cities like Chicago/NY can ignore our 2nd Amendment.

Get real.

[HenryLeeII]

Uhh, dude, you're the one bringing the state v. federal aspect of RKBA into this debate. Apparently you do better when debating yourself than with other people. People such as yourself ususally do better that way. You must be a 'communitarian'!!! As far as your little Benson essay, it does not prove that people may reclaim state rights such coining money, taxation, determining voter eligibility, etc. And I'll take Jefferson, Locke, Madison, et al over a Robert Guillaume television character.

I really got a chuckle out of this one: How weird. -- You keep acting as if states have some life of their own. People created the 'state'. -- And our new Constitution, - one that controls both the new fed & the old state governments.

If you knew American history, you would know that the founding states were actually created by various kings of England, or royal charter companies from England. They simply evolved through various political permutations until we have our current Virginia, New York, Georgia, Rhode Island, etc.

And for your little contention about the Constitution controlling state governments, that is only true in the limited and explicit powers delegated to the federal government by the states. However, all other powers and rights are retained by the states, who can decide numerous things on their own.

You simply don't have the candle power necessary for this debate. Goodbye.