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U.S. Feminists Split Over Berkeley Prostitution Measure
North Gate News Online ^ | 01 November 2004 | Kai Ma

Posted on 11/01/2004 8:21:06 PM PST by Lorianne

BERKELEY -- Measure Q, the Berkeley ballot initiative that will ask voters on Tuesday to make the crime of prostitution the lowest police priority, is raising larger questions among feminists around the nation about whether the world's oldest profession represents a form of oppression or is instead a hallmark of female empowerment and independence.

Many feminist theorists interviewed recently are sharply divided over the Berkeley measure and the challenge it presents to the definition of feminism itself. All were aware of the initiative, however, and eager to debate its implications.

"There is no one form of feminism although the overarching campaign is to promote the safety and status of women in our society," said Wendy Chapkis, professor of women's studies and sociology at the University of Southern Maine. "It's the strategies to securing those goals that are the source of great debate."

Chapkis, author of "Live Sex Acts: Women Performing Erotic Labor," supports Measure Q because she says decriminalization improves the safety and wellbeing of women by providing legal protections for prostitutes. Chapkis echoes other pro-decriminalization feminists who argue that prostitution is a legitimate occupation whose stigma and exploitation lies heavily in sexual double standards, and the absence of legal safeguards and social acceptance.

Other feminists who oppose the measure maintain that those who defend prostitution -- generally white middle-class intellectuals -- know little about the practical realities of the daily lives of sex workers in Berkeley and elsewhere, most of whom are poor, uneducated, immigrants, women of color, many with substance abuse problems and few other life options.

Janice G. Raymond, professor of women's studies at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and author of "Sex Trafficking of Women in the United States: International and Domestic Trends," said the prostitution debate is problematic when groups who claim to represent sex workers are led by women who are not in systems of prostitution—meaning, they have done it casually, or do it as an ideological form of women's resistance.

"There are two groups of women in the prostitution debate," said Raymond. "The first group is characterized as being articulate, and engaging in outlaw sexuality or sexuality as a form of resistance. The second group is out on the streets, in brothels, trafficked, poor, and of mainly African, Latin or Asian descent."

A 45-year old former prostitute, Robyn Few, put Measure Q on the Berkeley ballot in June 2004 after collecting 3,200 signatures, well over the required 2,100 to qualify as a city ballot measure, to make sex for sale the lowest priority among Berkeley law enforcers. Few was motivated by what she saw as a total lack of protection and rights for prostitutes after she was convicted on one federal count of conspiracy to promote prostitution and received six months house arrest.

The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, an international human rights organization that combats prostitution and sexual trafficking, defines prostitution as an oppressive social practice. But some experts in modern feminism, which grew as a field of study with the women's liberation movement in the 1960s, disagree even on this point.

"The prostitute is not, as feminists claim, the victim of men but rather their conqueror, an outlaw who controls the sexual channel between nature and culture," wrote renowned feminist critic, author and educator Camille Paglia in "Sex, Art and American Culture."

Andrea Dworkin, however, a radical feminist critic of sexual politics has written, in a speech entitled, "Prostitution and Male Supremacy, "when men use women in prostitution, they are expressing a pure hatred for the female body…"

Raymond is against Measure Q because she insists it would grant men legal and moral permission to engage in more sexual exploitation of women. She believes the pimps and johns should be criminalized but that the women in countries such as the United States, where prostitution is illegal, should not be arrested. However, Raymond said that decriminalization of the total practice will not protect women but merely turn pimps into third party businessmen, and brothels into supposed "houses of protection" for women.

"This isn't about consent but compliance," said Raymond. "Most women would not be prostitutes is they had another option or choice."

Laurie Shrage, professor of philosophy at the California State Polytechnic University in Pomona, and author of "Moral Dilemmas of Feminism: Prostitution, Adultery, and Abortion," disagrees.

"There is a tendency among some feminist intellectuals and activists to see the work that sex workers do as a function of the oppression of women in society," said Shrage, in an email responding to questions about Measure Q. "Some feminists worry that our society's efforts to prohibit it stem from paternalistic desires to protect women from sex or punish them for promiscuity. For feminists like me, punitive laws against prostitution symbolize one of things I'd most like to change about our society, namely double standards of sexual morality that result in stigmatizing not just prostitutes, but many unconventional women, as sluts or whores."

Shrage supports Measure Q based on the belief that arresting sex workers and their clients does little to help sex workers or restrain those who would like to sexually and economically exploit women or children. Rather than prohibiting prostitution, she noted, sex work must co-exist with an environment of tolerance.

Shrage also believes that decriminalizing adult sex work would result in sharper political focus on far more serious and harsher practices, including forced and child labor, slavery and indenture, and violence.

"Today, the production of cheap consumer good is linked with appalling labor and living conditions in many third-world countries," said Shrage. "I wish that those appalled at feminists for their support of voluntary, adult sex work were at least equally appalled by the practices that make cheap consumer goods available to them."

According to Shrage, the contemporary so-called "third-wave" feminists, especially those who emerge from lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered movements, tend to defend prostitution as an occupation because sex workers are similarly stigmatized by mainstream society for their sexual practices. By contrast, many so-called "second-wave" feminists 30 years ago linked female prostitution with female slavery, dismissing the entire sex work industry as immoral or demeaning. Even earlier, nineteenth century feminists protested against sex work as part of a campaign to protect prostitutes and wives from often-deadly venereal diseases.

Raymond believes that despite this historical feminist divide, the current debate is a great step forward in feminism because anti-prostitution views are increasingly recognized as a progressive, feminist stance whereas before, it was heavily associated with neo-Victorian, puritan and conservative thought.

"We're not right-wingers and we're not conservatives - we're feminists," said Raymond. "Prostitution is certainly an issue that divides some elements of the feminist community, but issues divide a lot of groups. To present it as a catfight among feminists is feeding into the stereotype that we women and feminists just can't get it together."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: berkeley; feminism; liberalism; prostitution
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1 posted on 11/01/2004 8:21:06 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
"We're not right-wingers and we're not conservatives - we're feminists," said Raymond. "Prostitution is certainly an issue that divides some elements of the feminist community, but issues divide a lot of groups. To present it as a catfight among feminists is feeding into the stereotype that we women and feminists just can't get it together."

You certainly couldn't "get it together" when a pair of fat, slob Dims were having their way with subordinates.

2 posted on 11/01/2004 8:25:49 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Lorianne

I'm reminded of my favorite table-dancer who *insists* she's exploiting me, not the other way around. Whatever baby, just shake it.

If feminists can't recognize that selling your body for sex doesn't turn you into a tool, or influence men to treat other women as objects - there's no hope for them.


3 posted on 11/01/2004 8:27:06 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Lorianne

"Women Performing Erotic Labor"

Hi-ho, hi-ho it's off to work we go.
You pay two bits to see two t!ts,
Hi-ho, hi-ho


4 posted on 11/01/2004 8:27:53 PM PST by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: Lorianne
"This isn't about consent but compliance," said Raymond. "Most women would not be prostitutes is they had another option or choice."

This phony argument ranks right up there with the "back alley coat-hanger abortion" nonsense. Berkeley isn't some poverty-stricken, malaria-ridden third world country. There are job openings everywhere here, skilled and unskilled. There are publicly funded training programs of all sorts. These women are whores because that's what they want to be. Period.

5 posted on 11/01/2004 8:35:27 PM PST by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: Lorianne

"The prostitute is not, as feminists claim, the victim of men but rather their conqueror, an outlaw who controls the sexual channel between nature and culture," wrote renowned feminist critic, author and educator Camille Paglia

Camille demonstrates the bankruptcy of the modern feminist movement with that statement - "its wrong to exploit women, but exploiting men is okay".

Cammille is not as intelligent as advertised.


6 posted on 11/01/2004 8:38:02 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Lorianne

I think that headline should be sent to Jay Leno.


7 posted on 11/01/2004 8:40:00 PM PST by Still German Shepherd (Let's call them what they are: liberals are communists and socialists.)
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To: Paul Atreides
You certainly couldn't "get it together" when a pair of fat, slob Dims were having their way with subordinates

Oh they got it together - by going down on their hands and knees in exchange for a Clinton Veto of the Partial Birth Abortion ban.

Today's femininst movement is a joke - its nothing more than a self-help group for liberal lesbians.

8 posted on 11/01/2004 8:40:11 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Lorianne

I never have understood why women can give it away for free all day long with every guy in town but if they try to sell it they go to jail? Go figure..


9 posted on 11/01/2004 8:43:04 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: sierrahome

You cannot possibly hope to have an intelligent discussion with anyone while you display such callousness. Aside from sheer stupidity, your words are an indication of someone for whom prostitution may be a tool for his (or her) own pleasure. Prostitution robs the female/male of bodily safety, emotional well-being and spiritual guidance. It robs the USER of the understanding and appreciation of the unique gift of love provided by us from our Creator to be given to another in marriage.


10 posted on 11/01/2004 8:46:07 PM PST by freecopper01 ("Just go VOTE!")
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To: freecopper01

Please don't knock my hobby.


11 posted on 11/01/2004 9:02:30 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: freecopper01
The opportunity to show the absurdity of anything as legalizing prostitution is easily shown with humor. Humor can often show the bad side of a situation without pointing fingers or being self righteous
12 posted on 11/01/2004 9:08:45 PM PST by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: MilspecRob

Please...do not say 'p' is your hobby! I'm leaving this site before I say anything else! Bye bye.


13 posted on 11/01/2004 9:09:52 PM PST by freecopper01 ("Just go VOTE!")
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To: MilspecRob

Guess she told you!


14 posted on 11/01/2004 9:12:30 PM PST by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: sierrahome

Okay... before I leave this site> 1. Legalized prostitution can result in health checks and notifications of findings of desease. 2. Actually would free up police to find other criminals instead of 98-143 lb hookers. 3. Would enable taxes to be collected... There are other worldly benifits.

HOWEVER.... my original points still stand. Prostitution has been around almost since the begining of man - it still causes harm to both buyer and seller. Now. Bye bye.


15 posted on 11/01/2004 9:14:11 PM PST by freecopper01 ("Just go VOTE!")
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To: sierrahome

I find that alot of those old Soviet Union jokes can be recycled and updated to comment on today's social issues by merely changing a word or two, like so -

A group of feminists gathered together to discuss
how they might be able to encourage the general
public to develop a more positive attitude toward
feminists & feminism. One mentioned that all too
often, people considered feminists to be prudish,
sexually repressed, & incapable of having a
relaxing good time. The others pondered this a
while, and concluded that this was indeed true.

After much thought, the feminists decided to open
a strip joint. Much planning, money, & effort was put
into this endeavor, and the feminists were sure that
this would be a total success.

Opening night finally arrived. Customer after
customer came in, looked at the ladies dancing
up on stage, shook their heads in disgust, and then
walked out.

The feminists found this to be puzzling.They
spoke of all that they had done to ensure the
success of this venture.

"We have a nicely decorated club here", one
said. Another added, "Yes, and our drinks are
priced right, and our cover charge is certainly
not too stiff".

"Our dancers are eager to please, very enthusiastic,
& they really enjoy this line of work", said a third.

"That's right", said another. "It can't be the
dancers. They're talented, friendly, and besides,
all possess the purest feminist credentials
imaginable".

"Every single one of them has been a committed
feminist for not less than fifty years".





16 posted on 11/01/2004 9:15:03 PM PST by mucrospirifer
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To: Lorianne

Create a big mud pit and let the two camps mud wrestle to determine who is right.


17 posted on 11/01/2004 9:30:28 PM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Lorianne
Many feminist theorists ...

It's the sign of a very sick society when a statement like this isn't cause for rolling on the floor, laughing uncontrollably.

18 posted on 11/01/2004 9:39:50 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: Lorianne
Sorry, everyone, I just can't help looking for photos of these "ladies" and posting them:

Wendy Chapkis, professor of women's studies and sociology at the University of Southern Maine (yuck!):

Janice G. Raymond, professor of women's studies at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and author of "Sex Trafficking of Women in the United States: International and Domestic Trends" (barf!):

Andrea Dworkin is a well-known feminist and activist and is author of eleven books, including Intercourse, Pornography, and most recently, Scapegoat: The Jews, Israel, and Women's Liberation (puke!).

Laurie Shrage, professor of philosophy at the California State Polytechnic University in Pomona (gross!):

And here's the former hooker, Robyn Few: "Robyn Few a native of Kentucky, ran away from home at age thirteen and later became an exotic dancer. After marrying and having a daughter in her twenties, she began to take college courses in the hopes of earning a degree in theater arts. She came to California in 1993 to pursue theater and become an activist. Acting and activism not being the highest paying jobs, Few turned to prostitution to pay the bills in 1996. "


19 posted on 11/01/2004 9:41:50 PM PST by tom h
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Shrage also believes that decriminalizing adult sex work would result in sharper political focus on far more serious and harsher practices, including forced and child labor, slavery and indenture, and violence.

All this goes on in Berkeley? Other than the violence, I mean. And what does "political focus" mean?

This whole article is a convoluted pile of dung.

20 posted on 11/01/2004 9:43:35 PM PST by skip_intro
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