U.S. Feminists Split Over Berkeley Prostitution Measure

North Gate News Online ^ | 01 November 2004 | Kai Ma

[Paul Atreides]

"We're not right-wingers and we're not conservatives - we're feminists," said Raymond. "Prostitution is certainly an issue that divides some elements of the feminist community, but issues divide a lot of groups. To present it as a catfight among feminists is feeding into the stereotype that we women and feminists just can't get it together."

You certainly couldn't "get it together" when a pair of fat, slob Dims were having their way with subordinates.

[Fenris6]

I'm reminded of my favorite table-dancer who *insists* she's exploiting me, not the other way around. Whatever baby, just shake it.

If feminists can't recognize that selling your body for sex doesn't turn you into a tool, or influence men to treat other women as objects - there's no hope for them.

[sierrahome]

"Women Performing Erotic Labor"

Hi-ho, hi-ho it's off to work we go.
You pay two bits to see two t!ts,
Hi-ho, hi-ho

[Bonaparte]

"This isn't about consent but compliance," said Raymond. "Most women would not be prostitutes is they had another option or choice."

This phony argument ranks right up there with the "back alley coat-hanger abortion" nonsense. Berkeley isn't some poverty-stricken, malaria-ridden third world country. There are job openings everywhere here, skilled and unskilled. There are publicly funded training programs of all sorts. These women are whores because that's what they want to be. Period.

[Fenris6]

"The prostitute is not, as feminists claim, the victim of men but rather their conqueror, an outlaw who controls the sexual channel between nature and culture," wrote renowned feminist critic, author and educator Camille Paglia

Camille demonstrates the bankruptcy of the modern feminist movement with that statement - "its wrong to exploit women, but exploiting men is okay".

Cammille is not as intelligent as advertised.

[Still German Shepherd]

I think that headline should be sent to Jay Leno.

[Fenris6]

You certainly couldn't "get it together" when a pair of fat, slob Dims were having their way with subordinates

Oh they got it together - by going down on their hands and knees in exchange for a Clinton Veto of the Partial Birth Abortion ban.

Today's femininst movement is a joke - its nothing more than a self-help group for liberal lesbians.

[TheForceOfOne]

I never have understood why women can give it away for free all day long with every guy in town but if they try to sell it they go to jail? Go figure..

[freecopper01]

You cannot possibly hope to have an intelligent discussion with anyone while you display such callousness. Aside from sheer stupidity, your words are an indication of someone for whom prostitution may be a tool for his (or her) own pleasure. Prostitution robs the female/male of bodily safety, emotional well-being and spiritual guidance. It robs the USER of the understanding and appreciation of the unique gift of love provided by us from our Creator to be given to another in marriage.

[MilspecRob]

Please don't knock my hobby.

[sierrahome]

The opportunity to show the absurdity of anything as legalizing prostitution is easily shown with humor. Humor can often show the bad side of a situation without pointing fingers or being self righteous

[freecopper01]

Please...do not say 'p' is your hobby! I'm leaving this site before I say anything else! Bye bye.

[sierrahome]

Guess she told you!

[freecopper01]

Okay... before I leave this site> 1. Legalized prostitution can result in health checks and notifications of findings of desease. 2. Actually would free up police to find other criminals instead of 98-143 lb hookers. 3. Would enable taxes to be collected... There are other worldly benifits.

HOWEVER.... my original points still stand. Prostitution has been around almost since the begining of man - it still causes harm to both buyer and seller. Now. Bye bye.

[mucrospirifer]

I find that alot of those old Soviet Union jokes can be recycled and updated to comment on today's social issues by merely changing a word or two, like so -

A group of feminists gathered together to discuss
how they might be able to encourage the general
public to develop a more positive attitude toward
feminists & feminism. One mentioned that all too
often, people considered feminists to be prudish,
sexually repressed, & incapable of having a
relaxing good time. The others pondered this a
while, and concluded that this was indeed true.

After much thought, the feminists decided to open
a strip joint. Much planning, money, & effort was put
into this endeavor, and the feminists were sure that
this would be a total success.

Opening night finally arrived. Customer after
customer came in, looked at the ladies dancing
up on stage, shook their heads in disgust, and then
walked out.

The feminists found this to be puzzling.They
spoke of all that they had done to ensure the
success of this venture.

"We have a nicely decorated club here", one
said. Another added, "Yes, and our drinks are
priced right, and our cover charge is certainly
not too stiff".

"Our dancers are eager to please, very enthusiastic,
& they really enjoy this line of work", said a third.

"That's right", said another. "It can't be the
dancers. They're talented, friendly, and besides,
all possess the purest feminist credentials
imaginable".

"Every single one of them has been a committed
feminist for not less than fifty years".

[CriticalJ]

Create a big mud pit and let the two camps mud wrestle to determine who is right.

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Many feminist theorists ...

It's the sign of a very sick society when a statement like this isn't cause for rolling on the floor, laughing uncontrollably.

[tom h]

Sorry, everyone, I just can't help looking for photos of these "ladies" and posting them:

Wendy Chapkis, professor of women's studies and sociology at the University of Southern Maine (yuck!):

Janice G. Raymond, professor of women's studies at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and author of "Sex Trafficking of Women in the United States: International and Domestic Trends" (barf!):

Andrea Dworkin is a well-known feminist and activist and is author of eleven books, including Intercourse, Pornography, and most recently, Scapegoat: The Jews, Israel, and Women's Liberation (puke!).

Laurie Shrage, professor of philosophy at the California State Polytechnic University in Pomona (gross!):

And here's the former hooker, Robyn Few: "Robyn Few a native of Kentucky, ran away from home at age thirteen and later became an exotic dancer. After marrying and having a daughter in her twenties, she began to take college courses in the hopes of earning a degree in theater arts. She came to California in 1993 to pursue theater and become an activist. Acting and activism not being the highest paying jobs, Few turned to prostitution to pay the bills in 1996. "

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Shrage also believes that decriminalizing adult sex work would result in sharper political focus on far more serious and harsher practices, including forced and child labor, slavery and indenture, and violence.

All this goes on in Berkeley? Other than the violence, I mean. And what does "political focus" mean?

This whole article is a convoluted pile of dung.