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To: DugwayDuke
If you don't mind, let me, a LP member strongly opposed to mass immigration, expain how immigration could work in a Libertarian America.

First, let's summarize repub/dem immigration policy as they have administered it for the last 40 years...

Today, the vast majority of immigrants who pour into this country every year, both legal and illegal, are economically-driven immigrants. That is to say that they're not coming for freedom or the opportunity to succeed on their own, they're coming to take advantage of social-welfare programs. In other words, they're coming here to live off money you earn, taken from you at gunpoint, and given to them by the gov't. Can't really blame them for taking "free" money.

The dems want them here because uneducated, unskilled marxist peasants vote dem. The 'pubbies want them here because uneducated, unskilled, marxist peasants work for next to nothing (especially when you pay their living expenses!). They also drive down the wages of the native-born, which further helps the big-business friends of the 'pubbies. Neither party cares if you want them here or not.

The immigration policy of a Libertarian America would attract immigrants who would be coming here for freedom and opportunity, not handouts. These immigrants would be the same type of people who built this country in the first place. If you have to have immigration, these are the kind of people you want to have.

Also, there's nothing in the LP immigration platform that would deny us the power to know who's entering the country, unlike what's happening today. There are more parasites in the world than productive people, so a Libertarian America would probably attract less immigrants, making it more possible to monitor the movement of people across the nation's borders.

In addition, a Libertarian federal gov't, only performing the few tasks given it by the Constitution, would most likely be a lot better at border control/defense than today's fedgov beast, which does everything, and does nothing very well.

This libertarian thinks there's too many people here now. I think that mass immigration should have ended when the empty, open spaces ran out. But if we have to have immigration, let's at least let the right people in, coming here for the right reasons. That's not what's happening now.

201 posted on 11/02/2004 3:43:57 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE

"If you don't mind, let me, a LP member strongly opposed to mass immigration, expain how immigration could work in a Libertarian America."


"Today, the vast majority of immigrants who pour into this country every year, both legal and illegal, are economically-driven immigrants. That is to say that they're not coming for freedom or the opportunity to succeed on their own, they're coming to take advantage of social-welfare programs. In other words, they're coming here to live off money you earn, taken from you at gunpoint, and given to them by the gov't. Can't really blame them for taking "free" money."

Again, horsehockey. Your candidate says in his position paper on immigration: "I do not regard the existence of the social "safety net" as a good excuse for excluding immigrants."



"They also drive down the wages of the native-born, which further helps the big-business friends of the 'pubbies. Neither party cares if you want them here or not."

And the 'open border' party, the libertarian party, would not restict immigration so exactly how does your party or it's candidate expect to do any thing to protect American wages?

"Also, there's nothing in the LP immigration platform that would deny us the power to know who's entering the country, unlike what's happening today."

The libertarian party is against the Patriot Act and any other use of government to 'spy' upon residents. So, exactly how will you know any thing about any one?

"In addition, a Libertarian federal gov't, only performing the few tasks given it by the Constitution, would most likely be a lot better at border control/defense than today's fedgov beast, which does everything, and does nothing very well."

Oh, yes, let's make border defense the hall mark of our defense program. Let's not confront terrorists on their territory, let's just sit on our borders and play defense. Why, I'd love to see your game plan for a football game. Would you forbid your players from crossing the fifty?

"This libertarian thinks there's too many people here now. I think that mass immigration should have ended when the empty, open spaces ran out."

Get out and look around. There's still a lot of empty space here.


202 posted on 11/02/2004 4:01:55 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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