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>>>"The northern unionized states still have not faced the fact that nobody is going to pay union wages for producing its products."

I agree.

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Hoppy

So long as there are a sizable but decreasing number of union jobs paying 35-50 grand a year, the rest of the states populations will be reluctant to act.

There is very little manufacturing left in the Chicagoland/ NW Indiana region and every year a few more thousand go by the wayside.

In the Chicago downtown and immediate surrounding area, Mayor Daley loved the small factory to yuppie loft conversion boom 15-20 years ago. Now reality has taken place., all those factory jobs are gone forever.

Last year Fannie Mae, a very popular candy store with many locations, went BK and shudderred a west side manufacturing plant, laying off a few hundred unionized workers. Last week I read where they will reopen about 40 locations, with the candy being produced in the new owners Ohio Plant. And the old Chicago union boss of the laid off workers proudly states "They still have to deal with us, we'll take them to court before they open any store?"

Who in the hell would want the headache?, these unions are a bunch of @ssholes.

You two are the ones who are stuck in a time warp.
Organized labor representation of our blue collar workforce peaked back in the '50s and has been in decline ever since. Unions now represent only 16% of our factory workers while membership of government employees (including teachers) has skyrocketed to over 40%.

Get your heads out of your butts.
The liberals haven't controlled the blue collar demographic since Reagan won them over in his landslide victories. The 'Rats abandoned them in favor of the enviro-whackos and all the other Hollyweird politically correct issues. It's shameful that Dubya and the GOP have rejected Ronald Reagan's leadership with this hard-working constituency. Their global commitment to slave wages only empowers twits like Kerry.