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Officer Shot Man At Wheel From Rear
Washington Post ^ | 10/30/4 | Fredrick Kunkle and Elizabeth Williamson

Posted on 10/29/2004 9:43:07 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: Hatteras
The marshall is the one with a history of losing his temper.

I have no idea why you keep trying to make up reasons why the kid is guilty of something.

81 posted on 11/29/2004 8:49:15 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Hatteras

You could be right...I wasn't there, so I don't know. I tend to want to show my support to the one who is working to protect my family...so i initially wanted to believe that the officer was innocent.


82 posted on 11/29/2004 8:52:46 AM PST by trussell (Unemployed intellectual...will act like a pompous ass for food!!)
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To: SmithL

Why is a Federal Marshal enforcing traffic law?? Marshals have no authority to enforce state laws.


83 posted on 11/29/2004 8:55:07 AM PST by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: yarddog
"I have no idea why you keep trying to make up reasons why the kid is guilty of something."

Call it a hunch. I have seen "this kid" hundreds of times on the streets and in the parking lots of shopping centers and malls just as you probably have too. It's unfortunate that this particular kid crossed paths with somebody so deranged as to actually act on his frustration and anger in such a permanent way.

84 posted on 11/29/2004 9:32:47 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras
Actually I was a pretty mild mannered kid.

I do recall once when a couple of friends and I were nearly hit by a guy running a stop sign. About a mile down the road, the man pulls us over and flashes a badge and tells us off about speeding, which was false.

None of us said anything but after he left one of my buddies said the guy was a distant cousin of his and was really mean and had a bad temper. The boys Father had a talk with the sheriff and was assured the reserve deputy would lose his badge.

85 posted on 11/29/2004 9:40:29 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL~


86 posted on 11/29/2004 9:48:42 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: sandydipper

The Marshall was playing Road Rage tag with the kid.


87 posted on 11/29/2004 9:58:59 AM PST by SmithL (What? Me gloat?)
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To: SmithL

Ryan Stowers

88 posted on 11/29/2004 10:03:59 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: general_re
The wife...tried to restrain her husband before he opened fire, according to a police affidavit filed in court. But the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, rebuffed his wife, saying, "I'm going to show him," then fired the first of four shots, the affidavit states.

Sure sounds like murder to me. This is coming from the deputy's wife so he's toast. I predict that he'll take a plea bargain and this will not go to trial.

89 posted on 11/29/2004 10:26:03 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: 7MMmag

Wow. Nice rant. You must have been one of the witnesses since you know exactly what was said.


90 posted on 11/29/2004 10:30:47 AM PST by thefactor
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To: MississippiMan

"How utterly tragic the outcome of sheer ego and stupidity. "

Looks like the deputy got his clock cleaned by a guy 33 years his Jr. and decided to "show him who was boss".


91 posted on 11/29/2004 10:38:07 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat and why does he/she have their own forum?)
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To: 7MMmag

How do you know what was said?


92 posted on 11/29/2004 10:39:12 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat and why does he/she have their own forum?)
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To: thefactor; Rebelbase; 7MMmag

7MMmag appears to have actually read the whole article.
Those are direct quotes from the article. There were plenty of witnesses to what happened.


93 posted on 11/29/2004 11:00:46 AM PST by SmithL (What? Me gloat?)
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To: SmithL
Yes, and he expressed his opinion very clearly in easy to understand English. (/srcsm)

But unless you were standing next to the guy, I'd hold off until at least all the facts come out. What if the guy in the Camaro was pointing a gun at the LEO that only he saw? Not saying he was, but you wouldn't know.

94 posted on 12/03/2004 8:42:25 AM PST by thefactor
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To: Rebelbase
Looks like the deputy got his clock cleaned by a guy 33 years his Jr. and decided to "show him who was boss".

That's what I think too.

95 posted on 12/03/2004 8:52:01 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: Hatteras
Of course he didn't deserve this fate, but something had to set off the shooter.

All it takes to set off some of those nutjobs is someone who questions their authority in some circumstances.

96 posted on 12/03/2004 8:58:53 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: thefactor
What if the guy in the Camaro was pointing a gun at the LEO that only he saw? Not saying he was, but you wouldn't know.

Maybe I wouldn't know for sure, but I think that a U.S. Marshal being denied bail is a pretty substantial hint:

'Pattern' of Violence By Deputy Alleged
Bail Denied as Prosecutors List Assault Claims

By David Snyder and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 6, 2004; Page B01

A deputy U.S. marshal charged with murder in the shooting of a man after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week was denied bail yesterday after prosecutors alleged in court that he has shown a "pattern of violent tendencies."

As the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, appeared in District Court via closed-circuit TV, Deputy State's Attorney John J. McCarthy said Lloyd's son and wife told authorities in the past that he assaulted them. McCarthy also said Lloyd has been disciplined repeatedly by the U.S. Marshals Service for various infractions. . . . more here.

97 posted on 12/03/2004 9:08:51 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Oh, absolutely. Throw the book at the guy. My only point was rushing to judgement may prove to be inappropriate. But a badge and a gun does not make one right. Especially when not working in an official capacity.


98 posted on 12/03/2004 11:43:28 AM PST by thefactor
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