Posted on 10/28/2004 10:20:59 PM PDT by Destro
I can not locate the Forbes article mentioned (or is this an interview?). Also, as of being an M.O. of the USSR it was Putin that made efforts to work with the US over the allegations. What of our Euro allies that sell arms abroad? Or anybody else that the US has favorable relations?
That is the post you refrenced and what I responded to - if you can't understand "simile" then I suggest retaking High School?
Also what has to be called is that they are hanging their hat on ONE source only - this Shaw guy. They bring up Gertz but all Gertz did was interview Shaw - he did not substantiate any of Shaw's charges with other independent sources - which is basic journalisim.
"I don't have a problem with calling Russia in on allowing a black market arms trade to go on"
Well there's a start, Destro. Start "calling Russia in on allowing a black market arms trade to go on"!!! I look forward to the plethora of articles you will be posting exposing the Russian black market arms trade. You do realize that you will find yourself opposing Russian corruption, not to mention many aspects of their corrupt foreign policy, if you actually follow through on this, right?
Bzzzzt, wrong answer again, fraud-man. I made no reference to that post on this thread.
Now, for the third time, cite credible evidence for your claim that Bill Gertz is a Moonie. Cite or shut up.
--Boot Hill
Fine - how about this, Gertz works for the Moonies. He works for an organization whose leader claims he is Jesus Christ.
While I do not know how working for the Rev. Moon owned paper impacts on Gertz's reporting does in not entail that what you read from said person carry some sort of skepticism due to the source organization's origin?
You are the one under the delusion that I defend Russia blindly. I do not consider Russia an ally - nor do I think she is an enemy. In this Cold War world alliances shift with the newest regional crisis. In that respect our world resembles that of the 19th century era of shifting alliances (ally one day-enemy the next).
That was a concise, to the point and very well-thought out post./ sarcasm off
I don't recall anyone supporting it. Look, if rouge arms dealers sell stock, that's not foreign policy. It works the same in Russia as here in the USA.
In this POST Cold War world alliances shift with the newest regional crisis. -correction
Yeah, those darn rogue CIA agents and American generals keep selling all of our arms to despots...
I understand what you're trying to say, but if you're correct, then Russia is in bigger mess than we think.
Great, then you can drop the asinine character assassinations about Gertz's reporting being a product of the Mooney cult.
(See, that wasn't so hard, was it?)
Now for your next task...
• "Since all Russians are Soviets to your crowd?
OK, fraud-man, where did I ever make such a claim or even hint that such was my position?
--Boot Hill
Let's start over again - don't you think Gertz's article is a little shakey? To be placed in the "Hmmm" file till tangible evidence is presented?
"I don't recall anyone supporting it. Look, if rouge arms dealers sell stock, that's not foreign policy. It works the same in Russia as here in the USA."
Russia is arming virtually ALL of America's enemies. When confronted, the Russians simply lie. In the case of Iran, the Russian's claim they are building their nuclear capability for "peaceful purposes." In the case of Iraq, they claim that the arms sales are the fault of uncontrollable "rogue" arms dealers. Perhaps the following link will help shed more light on the subject:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1252938/posts
More like selling arms to anybody that's buying.
That article was published in '92 and the stuff covered was from the 50's through the 70's. The Russians were our enemy back then. Look, do I think realpolitik isn't being playing in international affairs between the US and Russia? Of course. I look upon Russia with tepidity.
Just as soon as you deal with the last of your false charges.
For the second time, fraud-man, show me where I ever made a claim that "all Russians are Soviets", or even hinted at such? Put up or shut up.
--Boot Hill
It is called using a simile.
simile as sarcasm....
In other words, you lied and can not back up your claim that I ever said or even hinted that "all Russians are Soviets". That makes four times in this one thread that you've committed a fraud or out-right lied about the facts. Your track record for honor, truth and character is abysmal. A decent person would be ashamed of such conduct.
• "don't you think Gertz's article is a little shakey? To be placed in the 'Hmmm' file"
No I don't. It was well documented, that before we invaded Iraq, Russia had invested $21 Billion with Saddam for drilling rights and oil explorations in exchange for arms. Since the invasion, the Russians have been implicated in the UN oil-for-food scandal. Yet in the UN debates before the invasion, Russia claimed their opposition to the invasion was based on the purest of motives. Russia came into this debacle with dirty hands and a national reputation at stake, and it is a gross stretch of credibility to suppose that they wouldn't also do all they could do to cover up their complicity in arming and supporting a terror-sponsoring regime.
Contrary to what you've tried to claim on this thread, Bill Gertz's story was backed by, not one, but two Pentagon officials as well as by two European intelligence agencies. Subsequent to publication, the White House Confirmed that indeed, some of the information that Gertz published, did come from those European intelligence agencies. Adding even more plausibility to Gertz's story is the fact that now other defense officials have come forward to claim that the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA, nee NIMA, nee DMA) has satellite photo evidence of long truck convoys leading away from Iraqi weapons sites and heading to the Syrian border just prior to our invasion.
And what did you offer in contradiction to these seemingly well founded articles? A false and fraudulent hit piece, cloaked as a news article from a supposedly legitimate news site, but which, in fact, emanated straight out of the Libertarian Party's national office.
Give it up, Destro, you've chosen the wrong cause to champion. And the character of your championing leaves little to recommend it.
--Boot Hill
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