Posted on 10/28/2004 11:17:27 AM PDT by tazannie
There is something strange with regard to his discharge.
Something does not add up.
When he came back from Vietnam he could not have been totally discharge from the Navy.
I don't think a discharge does require a court martial. A court martial must be requested by the person accused.
He could have opted for NJP. Which means the commanding officers hands down the punishment.
My guess is if he did recieve a dishonorable discharge, it was because he violated the terms of his inactive reserve status, which was a result of his leaving Vietnam.
I doubt at the time, that the government would have pursued him given the fact that he was looking for attention.
They handed down an NJP dishonarble discharge for behavior unbecoming of an Naval officer.
Hillary knows the truth, she has his FBI file. Think she will share? Think she started this?
This story has been out there for months, nothing at this point it going to effect the election, just go vote and let it rest.
Quick - tell Dan Rather so he can slot that information on Sunday Night's 60 Minutes!
A Dishonorable Discharge ("Dismissal" for officers) may only be awarded by sentence of General Court Martial. If this happened in the 70s it would have been the most publicized trial of the decade. Could he have received an Undesirable Discharge (now called Other than Honorable)? That can only happen either by the officer's request in lieu of trial by court-martial or as the result of an administrative discharge board proceeding.
I would say that the DD did not happen. Was there an OTHD? Possible but I think it unlikely as adverse processing of LT Kerry would have been a political hot potato. Remember his allies on the Senate Armed Services Committee and elsewhere.
Jim
LT, USN (Ret)
18 months as Legal Officer, USS PATTERSON (FF-1061)
I believe John Kerry received "extra special attention" from Carter. I have heard this from people I consider reliable and I'm actively tracking down definitive answers. Maybe someone seeing this can provide more info.
There are other types of discharges from the military that are less than honorable, but not the worst, which is a DD.
"Post number 15 is correct: If Kerry had received a Dishonorable Discharge, it would have required a court-martial. There are no provisions I am aware of for a "secret" court-martial proceeding. Since the court martial would have occurred during the Nixon Administration, and since Nixon was not a friend of Kerry's, but was overheard on the tapes referring to Kerry as a "hero", it's doubtful that he would have contrived to keep a Kerry court-martial secret. It seems much more likely, given the subsequent "reissue" of the Honorable Discharge, that Kerry received a bad conduct discharge (BCD), or a general discharge under less than honorable circumstances."
This makes sense. But are we not talking about the Naval Reserves here? Could Kerry have received an honorable discharge from active duty, then remained in the Naval Reserves. And from his duty then receive some kind of unfavorable conduct citation?
nick
I don't see any problem with asking Kerry to submit to this question regarding his military background. No one is jumping the gun here. We're just asking for some answers.
nick
Are you citing the requirements for an active duty Naval officer? Reservists could be removed from the Navy without a Court Martial according to the regulations at the time.
Just last night I was telling my sons that a primary difference between liberals and conservatives is this: To many liberals, if not most, good is defined by the desired outcome and integrity and the truth are not necessary to promote good. To many conservatives, if not most, it cannot be good unless it is supportable by (way of) integrity and truth. (Romans 8:28 not withstanding)
I'm sure the minions over at CBS were convinced that the Air guard memo and missing explosives stories were highly plausible too...
You know that this email is legitimately from this person? Did you see all the "freepers" calling for this to be circulated like crazy?
How long have you been on the internet?
"Give it legs people. Start emailing Newscasters, friends, and others."
You know, it really won't matter; Kerry voters are sold out and they stand for nothing decent.
Still, a BCD would likely have resulted from some type of a conviction either civilian or military. Would definitely be a record of that conviction.
Why do you think John Kerry has refused to release his
Form 180 - everything you need to know is in there!
Get his Form 180 signed and the information released
and all information will be given regarding his military service or disservice!
Not sure about today, but at that time NJP (Article 15) could not impose any type of discharge, only up to 30 days confinement and reduction of one grade.
Administratively, without any type of conviction, an undesirable discharge was the most severe "other than honorable" that could have been awarded.
But still, if he received a general discharge, he would definitely want it covered up.
Not sure about today, but at that time NJP (Article 15) could not impose any type of discharge, only up to 30 days confinement and reduction of one grade.
Administratively, without any type of conviction, an undesirable discharge was the most severe "other than honorable" that could have been awarded.
But still, if he received a general discharge, he would definitely want it covered up.
I was told on Tues that Texas Tech University has the larges archive of Nam material and they found it in their records.
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